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An international (English speaking) socialist Lemmy community free of the "ML" influence of instances like lemmy.ml and lemmygrad. This is a place for undogmatic shitposting and memes from a progressive, anti-capitalist and truly anti-imperialist perspective, regardless of specific ideology.

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0. Only post socialist memes That refers to funny image macros and means that generally videos and screenshots are not allowed. Exceptions include explicitly humorous and short videos, as well as (social media) screenshots depicting a funny situation, joke, or joke picture relating to socialist movements, theory, societal issues, or political opponents. Examples would be the classic case of humorous Tumblr or Twitter posts/threads. (and no, agitprop text does not count as a meme)

1. Socialist Unity in the form of mutual respect and good faith interactions is enforced here Try to keep an open mind, other schools of thought may offer points of view and analyses you haven't considered yet. Also: This is not a place for the Idealism vs. Materialism or rather Anarchism vs. Marxism debate(s), for that please visit c/AnarchismVsMarxism.

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[–] Kyrgizion 20 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Divine right of kings simply morphed into capitalism. We didn't get rid of jack shit, and we never will.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Feudalism is entirely different from Capitalism, which is entirely different from Socialism. Class dynamics have changed, and will change.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Capitalism is like Fuedalism in a trenchcoat

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It's a fundamentally different stage of class society with fundamentally different mechanics.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Fundamentally different? Lords are still in control, just now we call them "Billionaires" and act like the "Market" protects us.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

Unlike serfs, workers must compete with each other as well as Capitalists. The Market protects nobody but the interests of Capital.

[–] Viking_Hippie 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Feudalism is entirely different from Capitalism

Not really, no. Even though feudalism doesn't consider greed and resource hoarding inherently virtuous like capitalism does, both are at their core about the few rich and powerful exploiting and abusing the many poor and powerless through ownership of the necessities for life and a greater capacity for violence.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Both are class societies, yes. Both are fundamentally different relations of classes.

[–] Viking_Hippie 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

There are differences, yes, but they're built on the same foundation and as such by definition NOT fundamentally different.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

They don't have the same foundation. Aristocrat/serf dynamics are entirely different from Bourgeois/Proletarian relations.

Reading Marx would help you.

[–] Viking_Hippie -2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Aristocrat/serf dynamics are entirely different from Bourgeois/Proletarian relations.

They most certainly aren't.

Reading Marx would help you.

I have. Guess what: he wasn't right about everything.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago

Serfs have a certified existence, they do not sell their labor in a market. They work their land, without participating in Capitalism.

Proletarians do not have a certified existence. They compete against each other in a labor market.

The difference is stark despite both being working classes.

[–] essell -4 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I agree These systems both emerged from inherent humanity, not conspiracy.

[–] undergroundoverground 15 points 1 month ago (1 children)

That would make sense for capitalism, if humanity didn't have to have its permanent, essential characteristics beaten, traumatised and groomed out of them with land seizures, branding, whipping, workhouses, schools, prisons, debtors prisons, being forced to sell their children, slavery and the threat of homelessness and starvation for hundreds of years.

People didn't just accept either of those two systems and there's nothing remotely inherent about them. They were both forced on people through violence or the threat of it.

[–] essell 4 points 1 month ago

.They were both forced on people through violence or the threat of it.

And so is revealed the violence inherent to the system.

[–] unreasonabro 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

"inherent humanity" - what a magical term. you might have a magical worldview! which means you won't even recognize this as an insult, which is sad, but a little funny.

[–] essell -3 points 1 month ago

I can recognise nonsense when I see it, and viewpoints based on assumptions rather than evidence.