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On the World Day Against Witch Hunts, Dr Alejandro Sanchez questions why the Church of England is still willing to 'exorcise' children in 2023.

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We can attack religion all day long and not get anywhere with the general public. Here's why: Your local church is entrenched in everyone's community. And it can be a church or mosque or temple. It doesn't matter. It is the center of the community in a whole hell of a lot of places.

The older I get the more I see this from family, friends and neighbors. None of them are hardcore religious fanatics, but these "regular" people are the ones who give religious institutions their power. Yeah, the really hard core religious people are the ones who get the headlines, but average parishioners who give their weekly donation and go to church a couple of times a month are the ones who fill the coffers of the various churches around the country and around the world.

Why do these people go? Again, most average people aren't hard core religious fanatics. They aren't trying to follow every last word of the Bible. But they also aren't trying to push those ideas on peoples throat either. They aren't the "bad" kind of religious people. But they go to church because ultimately life is hard. And boring. And lonely. And average people just feel the need to have a sense of community. It doesn't matter where that place is, but people are social animals and need a certain level of human interaction once in a while. A community church gives them that. It gives them a place to get married. And to hold funerals in. There might be a local strawberry festival at the church where they see their aunt Mary or at service every few weeks where they see that cute girl they have been trying to build up the nerve to talk to. People don't have a ton of those opportunities elsewhere. They really don't. Once you are out of college, the number of friends you have drops dramatically and the opportunities to make new ones drops even more. You aren't typically going to be going out to the bars every week past your 30s and asking someone out at a grocery story is creepy. Worse yet is trying to make friends or find partners at work. Your ability to actually socialize is incredibly limited after a certain age and church is a very easy way to do that.

But it isn't just a way to socialize. When a flood hits or there's a fire or some other disaster, a church is an easy location to organize these things. Some places use it as a voting location. It is an easy way for the church to embed itself into the community.

So why am I saying all these things? Because if atheists really want to rid the world of religion, it has to give people an alternative to the local church. Atheist groups should hold festivals. You don't need to push the atheist-angle, but give people something to do and somewhere to go. If some building collapses and people are out of a house, try to organize shelter for them. Hold gathering celebrations for your town's centennial or something along those lines. Make it a regular event that gives folks a sense of community that isn't tied to a religious event.

I realize that very few people (if anyone) will actually read this, but as someone who has despised religion for a long, long time I see the uphill battle that atheists fight and unfortunately we fight the wrong people. The older I get, I realize that fighting the hard core religious fanatics is a waste of time. Giving the average people an alternative to going to church is the single best way to attack religion. No one event, no matter how heinous (i.e. priests and kids) will kill off a church, but a slow decline in attendance over the years will.

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A hidden world of exploitation by men working as "spiritual healers" has been uncovered by the BBC.

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I've been thinking about writing this following a discussion on atheistmemes because it gave me a lot to think about.

The idea is quite simple. I acknowledge there are multiple visions of atheism but never really took the opportunity to discuss it with people.

So here are the main cornerstones of my vision of atheism. Do you share them or reject them ?

-Gods, as religions define it, do not exist. There might be some kind of metaphysical supreme entity, but it would be more akin to an abstraction.

-Spiritual beliefs, per se, are not a good or bad thing. I admire quite a lot of religious minded people. Abolitionist quakers, anarchist christians, muslim thinkers, poets, activists fighting for emancipation from colonial/theocratic rule, etc. That being said, I believe I'll live and die as an atheist.

-Religious institutions are quasi-inherently evil. I write "quasi-" because I don't know enough about all beliefs system. What about animist/pantheist institutions ? I don't know. I come from a family of African immigrants and I hear mixed things about those.

-Being an atheist do not make you better or worse than being a believer, and, quite importantly, not "wiser". Wisdom is earned from character and mind. That being said, being a fundamentalist and being wise are mutually incompatible imo.

-I deeply hate and resent all missionaries. Religious ones, especially fundamentalism of all shapes and forms, for sure, but also atheist ones. I believe there's no god, I don't need my friends to accept this. If they want to learn about atheism, I'll tell them. I often question them about religion, because I sometimes have trouble understanding how they can be great people while believing in what are basically myths to me. But that's all. That's just me who don't understand. I don't think they would be "better" as atheists.

-I have an ambiguous relation to Islam. While I reject it as a set of institutions, like all other religions, and absolutely despise it's fundamentalist current, I do understand that some large part of anti-Islam movements are actually ethnoracists in (a bad) disguise. I tend to favour alliances with muslim individuals/groups i'll be able to talk with without it being infuriating. Tbh, the only fundamentalists I actually talked with irl were Christians and Jews. But that's just my social position. If I was born in another context, another place, another family, it who would be different. I don't doubt all religions produce fundamentalism in a somehow equal measure.

-I truly think reason is not a quality which is restricted to atheism. Even if, like wisdom, I think some conceptions of religion bar people from living according to reason. But I can't respect people waving the "reason" flag like a title, an honor or an automatic consequence to being an atheist. Reason is a way of life, certainly not an authoritarian one, it's hard earned and always fragile. And it's certainly not restricted to "maths". Although mathematics are a part of it. Understanding what's good and bad for your own complexion is, for me, the beating heart of reason. Easier said than done.

-Despite all I said, I understand and won't criticize a very strong stance against any religion from someone who's been oppressed by them. Although, and take it with a grain of salt because it's only my experience of those people, I don't feel like they're the first ones to wave atheist as the flag of a nation or a pride backed by a superiority complex.

To end this wall of text, here's a summed up version of how I was raised. My parents are far from perfect, but this they did fine.

Both were religious. Jewish and Muslim, with various degrees of adhesion/rejection/deviation from their faiths (quite complicated for my mother). They had us participate in both religious rituals when we were young. We sang prayers (as we sang folk songs, we didn't make a difference). But they didn't give us any kind of religious education. When we were 14 or 15, they gathered my siblings and I and basically told us this :

"We are religious. But that's just us. You've experienced what is religion. You should make a choice about it. Either now or later. There will be no consequence to your choice under this roof."

There were three of us. We all choose to be atheists. They acknowledged our choice add we never once discussed that again.

That's it. I'd like to hear your opinions about all this, if any. Thanks for reading !

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It seems like they are cutting as much symbolism as they can out of the shots they decide to keep in the show but every other episode feels like " We're a family with 9 kids and everyone is homeschooled. Oh yeah and we just happen to be active in our church too."

Like, no shit you're active in the church.. Normal people do not have a quiver full of isolated kids like that. It's not normal or healthy.

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Claim comes despite draft of bill explaining media regulator will not be empowered to request specific content be removed from digital platforms

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Even though organized religions suck and deserve the hate, this is why I'm atheist.

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speech laws differently. She said she had seen a lot of support for Qur’an burning on social media, but was strongly against it. “I don’t support it at all because it is basically violating another group of people. I don’t know how you can support that.”

For Inge Zurcher, 79, however, a ban made sense. “It’s awful. It shouldn’t be allowed,” she said, adding that the government did not “understand what damage they’re doing to Sweden and to Muslims”.

Tal Domankewitz, 39, a tourist guide, said there should be limits to Sweden’s freedom of expression laws. “There are some cases where you have to think again and not let it happen. It has to be limited.”

Meanwhile, Abdi Ibrahim, 44, a social worker, said the burnings were ruining Sweden’s reputation in the world. “It feels like most people have the same perception, that freedom of expression is good but that it should not violate others. You can express your views in another way.”

Iman Omer, 20, a Muslim, who was out and about with her sister Monica, said it should be possible to classify the Qur’an burnings as a hate crime. “I understand you are allowed to think and feel what you want, this is a free country, but there must be boundaries,” she said. “It’s such a pity that it has happened so many times and Sweden doesn’t seem to learn from its mistakes.”

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So, with family anyways, despite all outside appearances Christians don't 'hate' a child who turns away. They still love the kid, but their religion teaches them that if they truly love them, they must do anything to make them come back to their religion - even abuse them hoping the kid breaks down and 'repents.' That's how twisted their doctrine is. It makes them commit atrocities in the name of love. And they're blind to it, because even when others point out how evil their abuse is, the doctrine teaches them that others will call "'good' (abuse) evil and 'evil' (acceptance) good." They truly believe they're helping. They believe that if their child is 'going to hell,' any amount of trauma and abuse with even a chance of preventing that is justified. It's not the people, it's the ideology. The very fundamentals of Christianity justify literally anything to convert a soul. It is fundamentally evil, all the way back to the moment Jesus died. Anything that claims to be better is no longer Christianity.

My source: The story of my life. A story of abuse and pain, of seeing my loving mother become a monster when I left the church. Forcing me to leave my unbelieving friends. Controling every part of my mind and beliefs to 'save' me. And seeing the atrocities that I committed under that same doctrine, and how I was blinded by it.

This needs to end. Christianity must end. The problem isn't the people - it's the doctrine. And until the moment that Christan doctrine is destroyed forever, it will never cease to turn more innocent, loving people - even my own mother - into monsters blinded by their evil.

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A Columbia University professor says spiritual beliefs can decrease our rates of anxiety and depression. I needed to understand how she came to these conclusions.

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