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Believe what you want, but it wasn't just "many others". It was every establishment friendly candidate, and several of them were well ahead of Biden at that point in the race. Absent any specifics whatsoever, the "Occam's razor" explanation was coordination by party leadership. However, there were multiple reports from inside each campaign but Warren's of Obama's involvement.
Not EVERYBODY. For instance, not Sanders. Anyways, I made no judgement over the question of Biden and racism. It was Kamala, and it's notable that it was the only time she briefly moved up to be remotely relevant in the 2020 primary. If we are going to consider Biden's willingness to project racism (I won't dare to guess his real views) then this clip should at least get some consideration.
LOL, um, are you aware of who is currently sitting in the oval office?
Sanders had more committed voters than anyone, but not everyone who might have voted for Sanders was that committed. I'm not spinning theories here. This is a pretty well understood aspect of how narratives work in politics.
Have you ever seen any "man on the street" interviews with the voting public? Not every voter is an ignorant fool, but a whole lot of them definitely are. The reasons many people give for their votes, even when it's for someone I like, are absolutely insane. Again, I reference the current president.
You havn't given any proof that Obama has magical powers to chose nominees. Of course I'm not going to believe vague claims of magical powers with no proof.
I am fucking sick of ALL identity politics. It is the main reason why Dems are losers.
This is your example?
[In the U.S., concerns that exit polls or winner declarations from the East Coast would influence ongoing voting on the West Coast..."]
OF COURSE, that would change behavior. This is citing a case where the outcome was literally already determined. That is hugely different from your assertion, that Obama caused Sanders to lose the primary. Which is absurd.
When did I assert that? Note that I've given you links for several points so far and you just ignore that you were wrong and pick at the rest. It's like creationists where every newly found "missing link" just creates two more missing links before and after. However, in full knowledge that this is a waste of time, here are some links.
https://www.salon.com/2019/11/27/obama-privately-vowed-to-intervene-in-primary-to-stop-bernie-sanders-from-winning-nomination-report/
https://www.commondreams.org/news/2019/11/26/obama-privately-considered-leading-stop-bernie-campaign-combat-sanders-2020-surge
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/obama-warns-2020-democrats-warren-sanders
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/04/09/barack-obama-joe-biden-2020-campaign-178115
And a quote from that last link:
That's about as close as your going to get when it comes to back room deals. There were also a number of people from inside the campaigns and Obama's team that spoke to Obama's involvement, but those are harder to find and I doubt you would care anyways.
It's certainly a factor. However, it's the way the Democrats use identity politics to avoid real issues. Biden in particular blatantly uses these issues as a shield.
Not really. It happens in every single contested Democratic primary, and voters rarely have an accurate understanding of where a race stands.
Making a phone call or two is not the same thing as dictating how millions of people vote. There is no way that millions of people changed their votes because of anything Obama did. But yes, pretending there was an Evil Mastermind pulling the strings and controlling the votes of millions sounds a lot more exciting then the boring reality that a majority of voters, for whatever reason, did not understand how great of a politician Bernie Sanders is.
Yeah, talking to you is useless. I never said he did that. I explained exactly what I was talking about, and Obama directly influencing individual voters was not part of it. We're done.