this post was submitted on 23 Dec 2023
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THE POLICE PROBLEM

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    The police problem is that police are policed by the police. Cops are accountable only to other cops, which is no accountability at all.

    99.9999% of police brutality, corruption, and misconduct is never investigated, never punished, never makes the news, so it's not on this page.

    When cops are caught breaking the law, they're investigated by other cops. Details are kept quiet, the officers' names are withheld from public knowledge, and what info is eventually released is only what police choose to release — often nothing at all.

    When police are fired — which is all too rare — they leave with 'law enforcement experience' and can easily find work in another police department nearby. It's called "Wandering Cops."

    When police testify under oath, they lie so frequently that cops themselves have a joking term for it: "testilying." Yet it's almost unheard of for police to be punished or prosecuted for perjury.

    Cops can and do get away with lawlessness, because cops protect other cops. If they don't, they aren't cops for long.

    The legal doctrine of "qualified immunity" renders police officers invulnerable to lawsuits for almost anything they do. In practice, getting past 'qualified immunity' is so unlikely, it makes headlines when it happens.

    All this is a path to a police state.

    In a free society, police must always be under serious and skeptical public oversight, with non-cops and non-cronies in charge, issuing genuine punishment when warranted.

    Police who break the law must be prosecuted like anyone else, promptly fired if guilty, and barred from ever working in law-enforcement again.

    That's the solution.

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Our definition of ‘cops’ is broad, and includes prison guards, probation officers, shitty DAs and judges, etc — anyone who has the authority to fuck over people’s lives, with minimal or no oversight.

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Killings by law enforcement in Canada

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Killings by law enforcement in the United States

Know your rights: Filming the police

Three words. 70 cases. The tragic history of 'I can’t breathe' (as of 2020)

Police aren't primarily about helping you or solving crimes.

Police lie under oath, a lot

Police spin: An object lesson in Copspeak

Police unions and arbitrators keep abusive cops on the street

Shielded from Justice: Police Brutality and Accountability in the United States

So you wanna be a cop?

When the police knock on your door

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[–] aubertlone 28 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Royer, who lives in Goshen, told The Indianapolis Star that the settlement money will “change my life.”

“I am now financially set for the rest of my life. I hope to help my family as much as I can,” he said. *

Oof. Hope this guy has a good, decent family around him. Especially with mental disabilities, there's at risk of bad actors coming out of the woodwork.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 10 months ago

They’re going to take him for everything they can.

[–] r_13 16 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Quite a disparity between this outcome and the guy who got $175k compensation for spending 50 years in prison wrongly convicted. I wonder if that guy will sue for millions too.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago

States have laws that cap what damages you can receive.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 10 months ago (2 children)

I really want to make a police tv procedural that get policing right. Basically, a crime happens and then the dumbest and cruelest person from your high school (the cop) frames a marginalized person while the media fellates the cop.

[–] DougHolland 6 points 10 months ago (1 children)

You might like The Shield, an old show worth binging, about bad cops. There's never been another show like it.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

I’ll have to give it a watch.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

I mean, as a writer for a show like this you'd have a never ending set of source material to draw on...

[–] AuntieFreeze 5 points 10 months ago

Same police force that beat a man that was tied to a chair a few years ago.

[–] brlemworld 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Hopefully the police have to pay out of their own pockets.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Link gets "access denied" in my neck of the woods.

[–] DougHolland 1 points 10 months ago

A few free ways around paywalls, region-blocking, adblock-blocking, and URL glitches:

archive.today
slow-loading, virtually unreadable without adblocker

Ghostarchive
poor layout, spotty uptime

Google Cache
frequently fails, but reliably captures video when it works

Internet Archive (Wayback Machine)
slow-loading, but works

One Foot Away
poor layout, quick-loading, spotty uptime

12-Foor Ladder
poor layout, quick-loading, spotty uptime, blocks major newspapers

If there are other workarounds, please let me know.