this post was submitted on 20 Dec 2023
52 points (98.1% liked)

Ukraine

8368 readers
447 users here now

News and discussion related to Ukraine

*Sympathy for enemy combatants is prohibited.

*No content depicting extreme violence or gore.

*Posts containing combat footage should include [Combat] in title

*Combat videos containing any footage of a visible human must be flagged NSFW

Server Rules

  1. Remember the human! (no harassment, threats, etc.)
  2. No racism or other discrimination
  3. No Nazis, QAnon or similar
  4. No porn
  5. No ads or spam (includes charities)
  6. No content against Finnish law

Donate to support Ukraine's Defense

Donate to support Humanitarian Aid


founded 2 years ago
MODERATORS
 

Russia takes huge losses with the so-called human meat wave attacks that they use on the frontline. In this video I discuss the meaning, and why the Russian commanders may see the casualties as a benefit rather than a problem.

top 10 comments
sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago (3 children)

My armchair general take is that Russia is just flinging whatever resources they have left at the Ukrainians. They've lost their professional army, their artillery stockpiles, KA-52s, Wagner. Now all they have left are T-72s, BMPs, and bodies, so they're just hoping for any kind of win with that. It's not working out, and I'm really curious how long it'll be before they run out of soviet era armour and suicidal idiots, and what will happen next if they do.

Western media has become completely defeatist about Ukraine's prospects because Russia is still able to project strength. I honestly think that these tactics are a sign of desperation, and that things could start to fall apart quite suddenly for Russia. If for example, the US and EU pass more aid for Ukraine in early 2024, and Russia runs low on materiel, then it's not difficult to imagine. I'm hoping that the new ATACMS variant will knock out the Crimean bridge soon, and that a surprise offensive across the Dnieper could isolate Crimea and create a strategic disaster for Russia.

People who understand Putin say that he's a gambler, not a strategic genius. He's made so many bad bets since 2021, and I'm starting to hope that this latest roll of the dice using meat wave attacks could be the last time he's able to double down without serious consequences.

[–] Redditgee 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The weird thing about the war, at least in my little American bubble is that despite the "overwhelming feeling the west has to capitulate eastern Ukraine" or any of it is... Most people I talk to barely know there's a war going on over there. They certainly don't understand why. The war fatigue everyone keeps claiming does not apply. I'm starting to believe it's manufactured. Certainly, the politicians are fighting, because the Reps don't want the Dems to look like they defeated Russia. That would put them right back in office. Maybe things are different in Europe, but if I stay off the internet, there are no signs of what the media keeps talking about. Occasionally, I see a Ukrainian flag in a window, but I'd wager half the people who see that flag have no idea what country it is.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

I think what you're discovering there is that politicians and the media don't really represent the interests of the people, and they'll happily puppeteer those people - also called constructing a public - to make whatever point suits them at any given moment.

[–] Buffalox 3 points 1 year ago

My armchair general take is that Russia is just flinging whatever resources they have left

Maybe, but instead of wasting enormous ressources on a costly offensive, they could defend their existing positions at much lower cost.

I honestly think that these tactics are a sign of desperation,

Yes, I think it's a kind of desperation too, which makes you wonder, because Putin was always considered as this super cold calculating super sharp strategist.
Seems to me he is not, and he made a huge blunder with the invasion, and now he is panicking to try to make it work, despite it obviously doesn't.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

If for example, the US and EU pass more aid for Ukraine in early 2024, and Russia runs low on materiel, then it’s not difficult to imagine

I think they're playing for time at this point. If Trump gets in power then US aid to Ukraine will stop completely (and it might still stop even without Trump if the GOP has its way), and EU right-wingers are also just as reticient about helping Ukraine.

[–] Brainsploosh 11 points 1 year ago

Tl;dw:

In the videographers opinion, there are two points:

a. They work and provide battlefield results.

b. Russia is trying to signal determination.

Then a rant that the same signal probably bolsters western aid, as it creates a sense of urgency for aiding Ukraine, where a static war would not.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

"Arrows cost. Use up the ~~Irish~~ mobiks. The dead cost nothing."

[–] Buffalox 6 points 1 year ago

An interesting take IMO on why Russia continues their meatwave attacks, despite meager results.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago
[–] Gradually_Adjusting 5 points 1 year ago

That is interesting, and a comforting light in which to view things, despite the overall magnitude of tragedy.