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Seriously. Who is the Hungarian government and what's its their play in the EU?

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[–] [email protected] 151 points 11 months ago (5 children)

Victor Orban is a fascist and he's spent the last 13 years seeking to turn Hungary into a fascist state. He controls the judiciary. He controls the media. He scapegoats Jews, Muslims and refugees for the country's problems. He aligns himself with Putin.

Fascists inherently don't like cross-border cooperation and supranational governance - it runs against all their beliefs about their nation's superiority. So he doesn't like the EU either and blames it for things to his domestic audiences. There is no press freedom in Hungary and so Hungarian voters get bombarded with this nonsense.

The EU needs to recognise that an enemy of European civilisation has been given the keys to the castle. That is a dangerous situation. It is time to invoke Article 7 to recognise that Hungary is acting against the EU's founding values, and remove Hungary's veto.

[–] [email protected] 58 points 11 months ago (2 children)

As a hungarian i completely agree with this. I think its hopeless so im moving away...

[–] [email protected] 25 points 11 months ago

Hey, my wife and her sister moved away about 12 years ago ... it was absolutely the right thing for both of them.

Anyone even halfway intelligent is better off moving away from Hungary. I feel sorry for those who can't speak a foreign language and thus are stuck there.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Nope not even close. Sweden

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago

not expected lol

[–] [email protected] 28 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Yeah, the short version is: Fascism is what's wrong with Hungary.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

One thing you neglected to mention is the rampant corruption which tends to involve EU money going into projects run by people close to Orban. Orban somehow manages to massively profit off EU money while running ad campaigns villainizing EU leader-du-jour (currently von der Leyen) as being a puppet of George Soros. Anywho, that's why the EU regional aid money being blockaded is such a big deal to Hungarian leadership.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 11 months ago

You didn't mention, but they have a good line in scapegoating LGBT people too. They follow Russia as close as possible on that front.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 11 months ago (1 children)

How can this dude look at himself and believe anything about superiority? Or Hungary, a mediocre country at best.

[–] RizzRustbolt 8 points 11 months ago (1 children)

It used to be an empire. And conmen can get rich by telling people that it could be one again.

[–] [email protected] 62 points 11 months ago (6 children)

Orban is in my opinion very good at gaslighting both the EU and his domestic supporters. He talks shit about the EU at every possible opportunity, but then when he shows up for Council meetings in Brussels, he'll usually sign up for whatever he's asked that month. Then he goes back to Hungary and immediately tells voters that he gave the EU leadership hell and that he got a great deal for Hungary. This is mostly my opinion, but I think everyone in the EU expects this conduct from Orban, and they just go along with it for the sake of progress.

His voters on the other hand genuinely think that he's a national hero for standing up to the no good, despicable, very bad EU leftist bureaucrats who also just happen to subsidise their economy. I kind of admire his batshit approach to politics, but disagree with everything he says. Basically, he's all bark and no bite. Just ignore whatever mad shit he's spouting and assume he's saying it for the benefit of his deranged supporters and won't follow through on it.

[–] assembly 26 points 11 months ago

It’s just hard to ignore when we is responsible for holding up funding for Ukraine.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 11 months ago

I hope you're right. Every time I see Orban show up in the news it's to vomit some new vileness.

[–] ObviouslyNotBanana 14 points 11 months ago

Well he didn't like the support to Ukraine. That one was vetoed.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

This is mostly my opinion, but I think everyone in the EU expects this conduct from Orban, and they just go along with it for the sake of progress.

My opinion is that the EU leaders secretly love him because he's very useful. As an authoritarian and certified asshole he gets to veto things without too much consideration over his public image. He vetoes things the EU leaders want shut down so they can pretend they were totally gonna do it if not for that pesky Orban.

[–] poszod 5 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

Great comment, but how is that behaviour "gaslighting".

[–] [email protected] 8 points 11 months ago (1 children)

People have started to use this term for all kinds of bad behaviour, it's lost its original meaning

[–] ObviouslyNotBanana 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

That sounds like gaslighting to me!

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Saying one thing and then doing another in order to mislead.

[–] poszod 6 points 11 months ago

That's called "lying" or "misleading". We don't need another word for that, we do, however could use with the actual meaning of the verb "to gaslight".

[–] [email protected] 36 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Orban sucks off Putin like the GOP and Heritage Foundation. He's trying to melt the EU from within. What more do you need to know?

[–] SuperApples 15 points 11 months ago

Isn't another part of the problem is how rural the population is? With a population of 9m, only 1.7m live in Budapest, and the second biggest city is only 200k. The rural population only consumes Hungarian propaganda and doesn't get any other perspective.