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[-] kersploosh -2 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

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[-] Therealgoodjanet 101 points 5 months ago

Abstain = We’re against a cease fire but we don’t really want to say that out loud, people might think we’re horrible…

[-] [email protected] 92 points 5 months ago

I was thinking more: We’re for a cease fire but we’re afraid America might be salty about it,

[-] [email protected] 36 points 5 months ago

It's both at the same time. This conflict has caused populations of the yellow countries to be divided more than ever before.

This has caused many politicians to slip up in their first reactions, in which they declared unconditional support for Israel after the attacks by Hamas.

Even at that point more people than they anticipated took the stance that "self defence" should not automatically include fighting beyond your own borders and there was outrage. People felt their heads of state needed to represent ALL citizens, which means full support for the Israeli cause was unacceptable.

This has put several world leaders in an awkward position where they have to carefully balance protecting human rights within Gaza and simultaneously condemning Hamas as a terrorist organization. Abstaining from voting for a ceasefire is a direct result of that. Voting either way might open up new discussion with supporters of either side.

This is very obviously the cowardly way out and we as a people need to push for a resolution to this conflict that is morally just and protects human rights on both sides.

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[-] [email protected] 31 points 5 months ago

I remember that at least the Finnish reason for abstaining is that Hamas was not mentioned nor their attack condemned in any way in the cease fire resolution. Canada started a petition to change the wording of the resolution and most countries who abstained voted for this.

[-] Linkerbaan 7 points 5 months ago

This is the same bullshit excuse America used to veto the first ceasefire.

Then when a bill with condemnation was introduced America still vetoed it.

It's just a pretentious troll. Every country that abstained is owned by the israeli lobby. That said the veto is far worse.

https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20231018-us-vetoes-un-resolution-on-israel-hamas-war

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[-] [email protected] 17 points 5 months ago

Still a million times better than vetoing it. We should be ashamed here in the US...

[-] [email protected] 6 points 5 months ago

I read that completely differently to you. I see it as "we want a ceasefire but bullshit politics means we can't vote for it "

[-] foggy 5 points 5 months ago

Some countries like Canada, are neutrally aligned, and simply don't answer questions like this. Same with Denmark, I believe.

[-] Therealgoodjanet 13 points 5 months ago

I get what you’re saying and that might very well be the case but you can’t be neutral in a case like this. Neutral means supporting Israel.

I have zero respect for countries voting no, but abstaining is no better. You (as a country) are literally preventing others to help by doing so. Someone is getting stabbed in front of you and you go “no, no, don’t help, we shouldn’t interfere”.

Just let them die I guess, they’re only Palestinians after all.

Shame on you Canada and all other yellows.

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[-] [email protected] 77 points 5 months ago

Can't believe PNG voted against, there's no transparency in it.

[-] [email protected] 15 points 5 months ago

I hate you. Take your upvote

[-] [email protected] 8 points 5 months ago

I needed your reply to "get" their comment.

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[-] Gigan 31 points 5 months ago

I'm surprised Russia voted for the ceasefire. I would expect them to appreciate the distraction.

[-] [email protected] 35 points 5 months ago

They appreciate being seen as opposing the west even more. Especially when it comes to toothless UN resolutions.

[-] Gxost 15 points 5 months ago

They don't want Hamas to be eliminated. Russia is always for ceasefire when its side is loosing.

[-] [email protected] 9 points 5 months ago

Optics. Israel and Russia are both on massacre sides

[-] FireTower 13 points 5 months ago

Dmitriy Polyanskiy, Russia’s representative, said US diplomacy was "leaving scorched earth in its wake". He said if an immediate ceasefire was blocked by the US again, how could the country look its partners in the eye? He called on the US to "make the right choice" and support the demand for an end to violence.

[-] [email protected] 9 points 5 months ago

Funny from a country currently invading its neighbor

[-] [email protected] 4 points 5 months ago

The russian hypocricsy should not distract from the truth therein. What happens now is the US foreign policy dream. Instead of having to destabilize the middle east by themselves, they just need to supply Israel with more weapons and money, so they will do it for them.

[-] [email protected] 8 points 5 months ago

It's solely due to US being the bad side along with Israel, they're trying to shift the narrative.

[-] Linkerbaan 4 points 5 months ago

They know America is going to veto it because they're israel's bitches. And it looks way better for countries like Iran which supply Russia with drones to bomb Ukraine with.

Ironically Russia is winning support with their stance on human rights over America in this conflict. Zelensky sucking Netanyahu off also doesn't promote the Arabs views of Ukraine.

Even China dunked on America yesterday at the UN, that's when you know it's bad

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[-] [email protected] 26 points 5 months ago

Wherein 'abstained' = 'we want to veto it but fear the political backlash so we'll leave it to the US'

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[-] HonoraryMancunian 14 points 5 months ago

Slightly off-topic, but TIL Croatia in Croatian is Hrvatska (thought it was a mistake at first and maybe HRV stood for (Bosnia and) Herzegovina)

[-] [email protected] 7 points 5 months ago

While I knew the name, your comment made me wonder why Croatias country code is in their language while most others aren't. Like, hungary would be Magyarország, which is also very different from their English name.

Also, Austrias country code is wrong in this map. It should be AUT, AUS is Australia.

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[-] [email protected] 13 points 5 months ago

This map will go down in the history books when they will speak about the Palestinian Genocide.

Future generations will ask how we let that happen.

[-] [email protected] 19 points 5 months ago

The current generation isn't asking lots of questions about Uigurs, Armenians, etc.

So x for doubt

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[-] Muyal 6 points 5 months ago

The map looks very similar to others during the cold war (US supporting apartheid, a variety of dictatorships and colonial movements and genocidal regimes) yet, you don't really see anyone asking how the US people let that happen.

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[-] badbytes 11 points 5 months ago

The world has spoken. Now act world, act!

[-] Nobody 7 points 5 months ago

I don’t doubt for a second that Biden isn’t trying to get a second ceasefire going, but at the same time, this vote is hypocritical. There’s no denying that.

[-] [email protected] 5 points 5 months ago

I don't believe that the US is interested in a ceasefire aside from appearance necessary to keep the muslim world and the muslims in the US and Europe from revolting against the injustice.

The US always worked to destabilize the Middle East and with Israel being armed to its teeth and countries like Saudi Arabia and Egypt happy to sell out, this is perfect to sow division, despair and violence.

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