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Defending Israel’s security is considered a ‘reason of state’ in the country, where there is practically no public criticism of Netanyahu’s government. Meanwhile, statements in favor of Palestinian human rights are censored

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[–] [email protected] 106 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (3 children)

"The problem is that people of Palestinian or Arab descent feel that they cannot express their concerns and criticisms."

No, the problem is that many seem to be completely unable to get rid of the people supporting their criticism while openly calling for the killing of all jews.

There were peaceful protests in Germany. Nobody had a problem with those. But the majority was instead infested with radicals that should have no place in a civilized society.

There is also a lot of criticism of Israel's government. And funnily enough we can read all these statements in international as well as German media... while they are being actively censored. Sure.

If I publically talk about a topic and half the audience cheering are nazis I will stop, reevaluate my message and clearly distance myself from them. When you 'protest peacefully' to critisize Israel's government however it's okay when a big share of attendees carry symbols of terrorist organisations. And if those protests are then banned it's "censoring of Palestinian human rights".

Don't get me wrong here... I am the first one telling you that the current government in Israel is a big part of the problem (for the very same reason: not distancing themselves from the radical morons - no, it isn't enough to speak out against statements of some government official later, those people can't have a place there at all).

And the official German government statements were clearly lacking balance. But they were widely and loudly criticised publically for it by many. And many called their initial reaction a massive overreaction. (Again... that was public and not censored...)

Yet many of those who camplain about banned protests and censoring however have actually another problem entirely: That they often can't (or don't want to) distance themselves from that strange other half of "Israel criticsm" that is in fact criticising their right to exist.

Fix your own side of the bed first, then you can start complaining.

[–] Pancito 19 points 11 months ago

Great comment!

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

There were peaceful protests in Germany. Nobody had a problem with those.

Nobody? Really? You don't think the right-wing Springer press (just to name the most glaring example) that is ideologically allied with ultranationalists in Israel had a problem with those? That they wouldn't have cried foul even if the protests where utterly devoid of any radicals? That they wouldn't have tried to censor even your imagined peaceful protests?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 11 months ago

your imagined peaceful protests

Yeah, sure. Protests with 10 thousand people in which maybe a few dozen were stopped by the police and a handful of banners were confiscated as questionable were totally not peaceful and unproblematic. And they are also not well documented in the media but imaginary.

If you refuse reality, that's a really bad basis for trying to argue.

Oh, these evil violent Protester with dangerous strollers

[–] [email protected] -3 points 11 months ago

I'm sure German public are better than that (except for the AfD voters).

My bet is that this is their big ass bureaucracy getting in the way again.