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[–] [email protected] 153 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (10 children)

Just to be clear for everyone here, the mod author effectively stated the goal was to reduce diversity.

There are other mods that change gender of characters that state no such thing, which are still up. It's really only the intent here that mattered.

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[–] [email protected] 138 points 7 months ago (98 children)

To those that are saying they don't see a problem with this mod. Let me put it to you this way. Instead of a mod that turned one gay woman into a straight man what if it turned one black character into a white character?

There literally was a mod like that in Stardew Valley that turned Demetrius into a white character, and it was rightfully deleted from Nexus mods. If someone has that much of a problem with a character being a different race, sex, gender, or sexual identity then they're clearly bigoted no matter what they say to the contrary.

It's gay erasure, and it's bigotry, plain and simple.

[–] [email protected] 83 points 7 months ago (3 children)

The creator of the mod actually wanted to do just that. He wanted to turn Wyll white, erase all LGBT references, and make Mizhena a trans person who regretted their decision and detransitioned.

[–] [email protected] 37 points 7 months ago

Imagine being that insecure

[–] [email protected] 20 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Eesh. Bet we all can guess who that modder voted for :(

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[–] [email protected] 44 points 7 months ago (41 children)

I have no problem with a mod that changes someone's sexual orientation, someone's race, someone's species, or just plain removes or adds new characters. Why would I care how someone else is playing a game?

[–] [email protected] 83 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Neither do they have a right to a platform, hence, deleted off of the platform.

[–] SasquatchBanana 34 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Exactly this. Play the game you want, but that shit shouldn't be platformed.

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[–] deweydecibel 48 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (8 children)

You don't have to care. No one does. No one is blocking this from working.

It's just not being listed on Nexus.

Moreover this mod wasn't giving options to players to choose how they wanted to play, it was changing very specific things and advertising it. Nexus doesn't care to let them use their platform to advertise a mod made for a very specific audience of really shitty people.

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[–] captainlezbian 28 points 7 months ago

It really depends, but in general if you feel that lgbt characters or black characters hinder your enjoyment of the game enough to bother modding them away or different then it speaks about who you are in a way that tells me that I dislike you

[–] affiliate 25 points 7 months ago (1 children)

rugged individualism is not the path to a functioning society. in any society worth living in there are certain views that cannot be tolerated. the kind of bigotry expressed by the mod creator is one of those views that cannot be tolerated.

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 7 months ago

Well there's never anything wrong with customizing a single player game, I fully support Nexus banning whatever they see fit, especially on these grounds. They have no duty to platform content they rightfully see as reprehensible

[–] affiliate 19 points 7 months ago (7 children)

so many of the replies read like entries to a libertarian contest. and in traditional fashion it seems they forgot to actually read your comment. it’s nice to see a post that understands why the mod is a problem and explains it well, even if so many in the replies seem unable to grasp it.

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[–] [email protected] 69 points 7 months ago (2 children)

This is hardly news, Nexus has removed mods like these in the past from games like Spider-man and Skyrim. Their rules are pretty straightforward when it comes to stuff like this.

[–] deweydecibel 17 points 7 months ago (1 children)

The news is more that the mod existed. And it may not be particularly shocking news but it's still notable when people put this much work into hate.

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[–] rockSlayer 54 points 7 months ago

Good, fuck that modder

[–] [email protected] 50 points 7 months ago (1 children)

And nothing of value has been lost. Eff that mod.

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 7 months ago (30 children)

I don't have any issues with diversity and inclusivity, and support it however I can.

But I don't really see the problem with this mod? It's a honest question, I've just read the article, and the Nexus mod answer doesn't make much sense to me. I mean there are literally mods that change every character in Skyrim to females, how is that different? (I didn't log in to see the if the mod is active, but I'm sure there's a lot of "we change this character to female" mods for any game).

And more importantly, why not let anyone do whatever they want with their game, and enjoy it however they want? Or was it similar to the Starfield pronouns mod, where the creator went on a hateful rant in the mod description, and acted like a total dick, spewing their bullshit intorelant propaganda? Then, the removal would be understandable. Otherwise, it's just counter-productive and only serves to even more divide people and turn them against eachother, and feels like an unnecessary witch-hunt and a PR stunt.

But please correct me if I'm wrong or missing something, there's probably some context that I don't have.

[–] [email protected] 62 points 7 months ago (5 children)

Nah this mod was making trans people into trans people that regretted it. They planned on removing all the people of colour because of "realism" and do other assorted fuckery. There was a long post about the group that was writing this mod, it wasn't done in good faith.

[–] deweydecibel 39 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children)

In other words, there's "let people mod whatever they like" and there's mods that are effectively a statement of an ethos, and not all ethos are worth letting your platform be used to broadcast.

There's also mods that are tools to give players more freedom, and mods that are fixes to correct what the dev sees as mistakes or shortcomings. The difference between "choose what color you want the flags to be" and "the flags are all blue now". The latter is a statement of a belief: "I think the game would be better if all the flags were blue".

The changes in this mod could be framed differently, like "gives player more granular control over NPC gender and sexuality". It could have been done in a respectful and open-ended fashion that doesn't play on harmful stereotypes. It could even be used to make the game "more gay" if the player chooses, then if some players choose to make it all "less gay", so be it. That would be fine.

But that's not what this mod is, and the intent behind it is fairly obvious. There's no reason to pussyfoot around this one with arguments about player freedom, that wasn't why it was made.

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 7 months ago (1 children)

This is not the Baldur's Gat devs dashing into the mod maker's house and holding him at gunpoint until he deletes the mod. I'd agree, that would be inappropriate.

What this is instead is the people running Nexus deciding that they don't want to be associated with this kind of content and that they are not willing to host it. If you owned a bar and it started being frequented by neo-Nazis, you'd be perfectly within your rights to kick them out, because you're a private business owner and can conduct it however you like within the bounds of the law.

Your position isn't the "live and let live" idea you think it is, because what you're in effect claiming is that the people behind Nexus should be forced to host content that they find extremely morally objectionable.

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Just because the mod isn't on Nexus mod it doesn't mean the creator can't use it or share it, it just means Nexus mod finds it unacceptable and doesn't want to host it, so people can do whatever they want with their game and Nexus mod can do whatever they want with their website.

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 7 months ago (7 children)

As was said, the mod author stated the goal was to reduce diversity.

There are other mods that change gender of characters that state no such thing, which are still up.

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 7 months ago

I would hope that a similar mod that gives options to disable certain types of romances would have been better suited. So long as it doesn’t single out the types of romances he dislikes.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 7 months ago (7 children)

I DEMAND GAYER AND HORNIER (but in reality I'm still on divinity 2...)

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