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[–] [email protected] 110 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Signs like that wouldn't be necessary if we weren't living in a hypercapitalist dystopia.

[–] SaakoPaahtaa 13 points 1 year ago

First rule of capitalism;

Steal copper cables, preferably with the invisible hand

I mean I know you're joking but still

[–] [email protected] 61 points 1 year ago

"This sign won't stop me because I can't read!"

[–] [email protected] 52 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Made me livin in the fiber optic mines. Mine all day, mine all night in those fiber mines.

[–] Zachariah 32 points 1 year ago
[–] [email protected] 51 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I was living in a world where I wasn't aware that it's a thing to steal cables. Thanks. But aren't fiber optic more expensive?

[–] [email protected] 64 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Generally when I hear people discussing fiber the big costs is actually running the cables and terminating and splicing the ends, the actual cable itself is relatively inexpensive from my understanding.

But with regard to stealing cable, you really can't do much with a fiber cable on the secondary market besides using it for fiber, and you also would probably need to re-terminate it that can be very costly. Compared to copper or other type of metal cables that can be sold very easily for scrap metal. That can be melted down and made into something else or just reused as cable.

[–] ridethisbike 25 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Probably, but I don't think you can easily melt it down and sell the raw materials like you can with metals... Just a hunch

[–] Caboose 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Fiber optic cables are very much not recyclable, at least with the current recycling technologies.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

i mean its glass, could just melt it down

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Sure, but the glass core is only 8–9 µm wide, it's a minuscule amount of glass compared to copper cables so it's not really worth it to melt it down.

[–] Caboose 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Most optical fiber is 125um of glass with 250um coating. The coating and the jacketing that make up the cable (mostly non-recyclable plastic) are the real problem.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I don't know of any fiber that the core is 125 microns. Can you link to one? Neither Single Mode nor Multi Mode fiber is that large.

[–] Caboose 1 points 11 months ago

Sure: https://www.prysmiangroup.com/sites/default/files/business_markets/markets/downloads/datasheets/SMF---Single-Mode-Optical-Fiber-SSMF.pdf

You are right the core of most optical fibers is either 8-9um for singlemode, or 62.5 or 50um for multimode. The cladding, which is also made of glass, surrounds the core and this is almost always 125um. Often there is more than one layer that makes up the cladding glass to help reduce the bend radius before you start to attenuate your signal. You need both the core and the cladding of different refractive indexes to create total internal reflection, which is how fiber optics work over long distances with low loss.

The glass (core + clad) is the only part of the fiber that is really recyclable. Everything else is plastic that is difficult to chemically remove.

There's a lot of really bad literature out there on fiberoptics, so I don't really blame anyone for not knowing this stuff. Here's a pretty good article that sums up how fiberoptics work I pulled off google: https://www.ofsoptics.com/faq-guide-to-fiber-optic-cable/how-do-communications-fiber-optic-cables-work/

[–] Gabu 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] Caboose 4 points 1 year ago

Some are complex, most aren't I'd say.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 year ago (1 children)

No, Fiber cables are really cheap. They are basically just glass with some reflective coat.

It is just that the connectors and more importantly the work of attaching those connectors to the cable that makes them expensive. They need to be welded in a dust-free environment, and require lots of skill to get right.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Also, copper cables capable of transmitting high data rates aren't easily manufactured either. Think of shielding, twisted pairs of wires, etc. And they don't even contain a lot of copper.

[–] Aux 6 points 1 year ago

I remember when the USSR collapsed and most people lost their jobs or their workplace did not have any money to pay, all types of cables were cut for sale. Even high voltage lines. Man, crazy times these were...

[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] RIP_Cheems 18 points 1 year ago

"COMON BOYS, I SMELL COPPER IN THM LINES"