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Or by her participating that she is knowingly involving herself in a scam. Which, yeah, it's just books - but it's pretty obviously a pyramid.

No shame if you don't see how it's a scam, the cozy blanket and glass of wine are meant to throw you, and they chose 36 because it's a confusing enough number where you don't think too much about how it grows.

She gives one book to her upline. She then sends out post to 36 more people to give her 36 books. Each one of them then needs to find 36 people each, which is now 1296 people in that level if they each want 36 books. Thus the exponential pyramid. Of course there is zero way each of them will find that many people, let alone the levels below that. It's a scam that benefits those higher up, and the ones lower will likely not receive anything.

Of course she sees nothing wrong with that. She said "Sometimes I get books, sometimes I don't, that's just part of the game". Which... it's not a game when it's real money being passed around.

On top of that, whenever we see a pyramid scheme we should be stamping it out - hard. Folks, please spot the signs and point them out. Don't be afraid to comment on posts calling them out as scams.

Edit: To be clear the idea of a growing book exchange isn't a bad one, as explained in the comments though the way to make it not a scam is to make it 1:1. You either send a book and receive a book, or if they like the 36 number, you change it to "I'll send a book to whoever sends me a book!". Then it's a true book exchange.

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[–] Water1053 5 points 1 year ago

You might have to literally draw it out. Just use 2 books instead of 36.

[–] bi_tux 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It could be a pyramid scheme, or not written well.

I think your friend probably understands it as "I send book to stranger, I recieve book from stranger" but it's actually meant as "I send book to stranger, OP recieves book from stranger"

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I ended up buying someone 36 books myself, to compensate them for me refusing to participate in this chain letter/pyramid scheme.

[–] LemmyKnowsBest 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)
[–] Deadeyegai 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So its the publisher reaping all of the $$? Peddling pirated books? 36 must be some of break even point for the lower levels but who knows

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

To me, the 36 just seems like a semi-plausible number that's both enough to be enticing and not so much to be daunting or discrediting. I don't think there's any real foundation in the logistics of the scheme, it's simply a marketing decision.

[–] psycho_driver 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

As far as pyramid schemes go, this one seems fairly harmless.

[–] ASeriesOfPoorChoices 5 points 1 year ago

But the point is: you need to be able to identify pyramid schemes. If you identify it and are aware of what it is, and still want to participate - thats "fine", but OP is talking about removing ignorance.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Stakes may be low, but the people who fall for the low stakes ones may not know the signs for when they're presented with high stakes ones. I think it's important to call them out every time to teach the signs.

[–] c0mbatbag3l -1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

How the hell is this a pyramid scheme? Do you people have brain damage? Or is just that the average lemming is in middle school? Buy book, send book, receive book. No money or promises of wealth involved. It says "a maximum of" meaning that you may get more than one, I guess, if someone wanted to buy more copies than was asked of them. Shitty math doesn't equal a pyramid scheme in the same way lying doesn't equal "gaslighting."

[–] Not_Alec_Baldwin 4 points 1 year ago

Pyramid scheme, not profit scheme.

Pyramid because the shape is a pyramid.

The first person, the one who sent out the original picture, received X books and sent none.

The next layer sent one book, and possibly received up to 36.

But those 36 each need 36 new people. It's impossible. You'd hit the population of the earth in just a few rounds.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

You send book to one person. You ask many people to send you a book so you get many books. Each of those people, to get the same deal, have to then find many people each themselves to not lose anything. The reason it's a pyramid is because the last people to ask will receive nothing, they will be the bottom of the pyramid.

It's not "shitty math", it's just math. There is no guarantee that by you sending a book you will also receive a book. The wording is misleading, it is not "Maximum 36", it's "Maybe you get one back, but probably not".

That's the scam part - you encourage someone to join in on the premises that you are going to get things if they buy in, and if they do it they can too! Except more than likely they won't be able to, and all they did was give you a free book.

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