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I've seen that some subreddits went dark and said they'd come back in 2 days (June 14th), and others said they'd go dark indefinitely, until the API changes are rolled back. I'd like to make an appeal for the admins who're willing to go back: please don't.

I think Reddit wouldn't withstand 2 weeks to a month without their largest subreddits, and maybe they'd change their minds about API changes. Some may say they'd just make the subreddits public again and promote someone to mod (which I totally agree, they'll probably do that if the blackout endures for too much time), but I think most people don't realise the PITA it is to be a good mod, and just want to be one because of the status (I'm not an ex-mod btw, I just heard it is very complicated to moderate and I believe it really is).

Secondly, there's no guarantee that Reddit won't pull the rug again. Even if they roll back the changes and everyone goes back, they'll probably come up with this strategy again some time in the future. So instead of going back, stay in the Fediverse: all applications are open source AFAIK; you can run your own instance if you wish; you can defederate other instances if you wish; you can contribute with new features you miss or create a fork aplication of your own if you want to; heck, you could create your own Fediverse application if you want. And there won't be a scumbag to come and try stop you.

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[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Correct - I’m out. I’m sure many will go back and my absence won’t make a difference, but I’m out and I’m not budging.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (6 children)

I will remain on reddit until 1 particular community moves here, but this will likely become my new "reddit"

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago (3 children)

It's looking promising between Lemmy & Mastodon, things seem smoother than when I last checked them back when Elon started snapping Twitter.

It still doesn't seem to be anywhere near mainstream, it's mainly tech people and bots by the looks of things and I'm not sure how this is fixed without advertising and maybe not having to copy and paste links between servers.

Reddit had variety. Some of the neckbeards there didn't even use linux which, whilst being wrong, added a little color.

Reddit was moaning about the cost of maintaining a public API that is being heavily farmed by AI learning, could this be an issue for the hosting of Lemmy?

On the plus side, copy & paste in a browser works here!

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I agree. Front page of reddit has been trash for the past 5 or so years. But it's smaller subreddits are where I spent my time. It became mainstream enough that there were communities for literally every topic or hobby imaginable. And they'd been around long enough for extensive wikis and info, and every question you can imagine has probably been asked and answered at some point. That's the part that I'm going to miss, something that took a decade to build.

But it's worth rebuilding that somewhere with the infrastructure like Lemmy. Not tied to a company.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm not really fussed about the wiki's and historic data but the fractured communities are a sore one.

I suspect after the blackout has eased it may be time for some evangelism about the fediverse on Reddit. But before evangelizing to anyone I need some experience of the platform and how it relates to the other areas of the fediverse to see if this is a realistic option for the majority of people who want something that 'just works'.

I heard quite a few subs mentioning backup Discord & Telegram groups and it would be nice if we could sell the fediverse to these groups as I'd really rather not deal with Discord, Telegram & Reddit regularly. I will tolerate it, like I do Whatsapp, as a tool to communicate with worthwhile people who don't really care about my views on software, if the alternative is a social media stream that's 95% free software enthusiasts.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I like your idea of evangelizing people on Reddit, but I'm kinda concerned with how we'd keep this infrastructure up and running in the long term. I don't think everyone would like to donate some bucks to help keep their home instance running, and the massive migration has already made some instances to upgrade their servers, raising their cost.

I'd love to see the Fediverse expand as a whole, but it must be a sustainable growth if we want to get somewhere.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The longterm is anyone's guess. There's a lot of people not happy with Reddit and Spez at the moment and a viable alternative could see a rise in funding in the short term alongside the increased activity due to this.

I may be overly optimistic but suspect if Reddit refugees found a safe space they may donate a few pennies to the cause.

The reddit blackout is a nice stress test for Lemmy. I have to say after joining on lemmy.fmhy.ml everything has been really smooth from the server side, no complaints there. My main issue is that even fairly techy friends would find it confusing atm, I couldn't go onto r/randonsubreddit and explain Lemmy is a simple alternative everyone on the sub can easily migrate to.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Since Lemmy is based on federated servers like Mastadon the worst that happens is the admins of an instance see the excessive traffic and block the IP.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Agreed, I think it's a good time to be here: Mastodon has been gaining a lot of ground these days, thanks to Elon; other apps like Peertube, Pixelfed, Lemmy and Kbin are growing as well. Now I actually enjoy the experience of the Fediverse, and I hope it keeps growing and maybe dethrone current mainstream media.

Reddit was moaning about the cost of maintaining a public API that is being heavily farmed by AI learning

TL;DR: Spez is a scumbag and don't care if people use Reddit content to train AI models, he wants to kill 3rd party apps.

I don't think they're actually worried about people using their data to train AI models, since Sam Altman (OpenAI's CEO) is a Reddit investor and was a former chairman until 2022. I mean, either spez knew Sam was using it (my theory is that they're "friends" and spez knew it all along) OR spez didn't see Reddit content as valuable until now. Either way, Reddit started to limit access from mobile browsers, forcing users to use their official app. I don't know, but it seems to me spez is trying to kill 3rd party apps instead of just creating a better protection against scraping.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The latest response from Reddit personally makes me quite furious https://tenor.com/038z.gif

So yeah.. Even if they revert shit I'm probably not going back there as much as I possibly can.

I say "as much as I possibly can" because Reddit has a stupid large archive of problem troubleshooting and solutions, which would make it difficult to completely abandon it in my opinion

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I am actually done with Reddit at this moment. This blackout showed me what Reddit is without the communities and the people. It felt really empty and unusable and it won't get any better. CEO of Reddit is a certified idiot. Right now trying to figure out how to delete my posts/comments and stuff (with a script) before deleting my Reddit account.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

On Android there's an app called Redact that will scrub your social media accounts. I used it on my reddit account and it worked well.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

Thanks for letting me know of this. It is even cross-platform... Works pretty much on everything. For the ones who are interested, here's a link: https://redact.dev

[–] Transcendant 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Before you do... consider copying the text of your top posts into a doc, then reposting them here. It's OUR content, so we can take it with us when we leave.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Yes, right now trying to make the doc. Will take a while though... but it will be worth it to upload it here. Can't wait to be ready to delete Reddit out of my life.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I thought from the beginning that planning a blackout for just 2 days was self defeating. All they need to do is ride it out. And they got enough disinterested users and subs still active these two days that it's not really hurting them long term. The only way it hurst them is if it's a longer strike against engagement with Reddit

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Probably not, but I'd be happy if I was proven wrong.

[–] Alatain 13 points 1 year ago

Agreed. I have given a fair amount of my time and energy to creating a sense of community in several subreddits and have been a member for over a decade. But the fact that they suddenly see dollar signs and want to burn that social capital for a quick buck does not speak well for the future of the site. One way or another, they are going to sell out and fuck over the user to make money.

I'm done.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I will go back. To delete my users.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

Just did this, it felt really nice to leave a message as to why I deleted it

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

I'm sad thinking about all the valuable info out there that'll be deleted while people leave reddit, but I also don't think the company deserves the value the users have put into it.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago

I haven't been this excited about the internet in a long time. It feels good to be a part of something that belongs to us, the people. Watching this grow gives me hope that one day we actually will be able to break free from capitalism.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I highly doubt they will budge. They're making a very loud statement by changing what they did. Because of that I will never look at reddit the same again. But on the other hand I'm glad it's came to what it has, I would have never sought out and found lemmy. I'm glad to be a part of something new.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

Yes it feels like discovering reddit all over again! But this time we're all discovering it together :)

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm sure as hell not going back unless they revert the API changes, greedy fucks.

[–] spicytuna62 9 points 1 year ago

I'm not going back even if they do. I like it here.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I won't go back to a place where I was worried of my wonderful piracy communities getting the plug pulled on them. This place is home now.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I feel the same. Can't believe those piracy communities survived this long on that platform...

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

I was pretty baffled by it myself and I'm a newcomer

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I ran a tiny subreddit dedicated to my favourite author, Bill Bryson. That's gone forever. I used Apollo.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

I love Bill Bryson!

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I honestly don't plan to. I've been way less into it in recent years, I used to doomscroll for hours at a time but now I have TikTok and Discord servers that I am more occupied with. I like Lemmy a lot better already, we just need more people to use it.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

How do you find Discord servers you are interested in? I have some game-related ones but not much else

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I always find discord stuff weird because you really have to initiate conversations and its definitely the most "social" of social medias.

May sound stupid but idk its prolly just a mental block

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I feel the same. Also, you cannot see threads in a tree structure.

Discord could become the next Reddit if they introduced this feature (Edit: And a bunch other, Ofc)

Right now, it seems Lemmy is the best safe haven - albeit still in its infancy.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

"I think the wouldn't last 2 weeks"

Unlike digg, I think they would. I think they will :(

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Agreed. As much as I'd like to think they won't, they will. They'll find a way to monetize the OF promotion subs, plus make the site more microblogging like... cuz apparently, that is what works regarding social networks. That and the fact that the crowd that they now dislike (us) has left, leaves them a clean slate to do whatever they want. And they will, just not with us.

Reddit is not gonnna crumble, wait and see.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don't know about Digg, but the blackout kinda crashed their website/app. I think if we keep the protests going, they'll either have to roll back the changes, or open the subreddits by force and deal with low quality moderation.

Also, I think they did some irreparable damage to their image by not listening to their users, and this hopefully will kill their platform on the long term.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

It's not FB or Twitter, thus, no one actually cares. There was only one news report regarding the blackout, one.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I plan on going back, but only to encourage mod teams to move to lemmy.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

I'm going to try to take some time away from the internet. Might return to make content (mostly tabletop gaming stuff) sometime in the future. But for now I'm over it.

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