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Edit: Rule has been replaced.

Old title was "An addendum to the rules. No more using the words "Nazi" or "Fascist"."

The words Nazi and Fascist have no meaning. No one is referring to 1940s Germany or 1930s Italy. It's just name-calling at this point. You can see this all over this sub.

So the banned words has been extended from just stuff like racial slurs to include Nazi and Fascist.

Yes, I do realize this is a slippery slope, but hopefully any meaning you wanted to impart can still be done without the kindergarten-level name-calling.

Credit to https://lemm.ee/u/[email protected] for the idea.

Hell of a lot better than my "Conservatives Only" tag idea or banning bad faith arguments. It's a clear cut rule that should help with a problem without cutting down on actual discussions.

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[–] GoddessOfGouda 35 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Idk why I keep commenting here but the community keeps popping up so here goes…

Sounds like a self report

[–] GoddessOfGouda 36 points 10 months ago (12 children)

On a real note, instead of seeing it as “name calling” maybe now is the opportunity to ask yourself instead, “why am I being called a nazi and a fascist?”

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[–] Sheeple 7 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Yeah lmao. 100% red flag.

Don't wanna be called a Nazi? Don't act like one

[–] StereoTrespasser 30 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Ah, thanks for the post. Nice reminder that I need to block this community.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago (3 children)

I'd like for there to be a community where actual discussions of convervative issues and opinions could occur. Heck I think it would be great if there were a functional conservative party operating in the US, but we're long past that ever being possible. Moderate conservatives are primaried out because they aren't fascist enough. Best of luck, but I'll block this community, in all likelihood some time in the near future, because at this point in the world when you put conservative as a label on a community it will be a dog whistle that attracts nazis, fascists, racists, etc. SMH.

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 10 months ago (7 children)

The words Nazi and Fascist have no meaning. No one is referring to 1940s Germany or 1930s Italy.

You're aware that fascism is a political ideology that has, unfortunately, survived beyond those time periods, right? Nazism to a degree has as well, albeit typically referred to as Neo-Nazism due to its similarly unfortunate survival and changing over time to be hateful in some other ways.

When others are criticizing conservative policies with these terms, it's relating them to their current surviving form, not strictly to their older forms. They have a meaning and it is to racist, bigoted authoritarian policies, both in their older and modern forms. Would you insist that those adjectives are also devoid of meaning?

[–] [email protected] 15 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

The far-right is obviously aware, but they've learned the importance of dodging labels.

Not too long ago, neo-nazis called themselves neo-nazis and consequently had almost no access to popular communication platforms. After all, the moment someone admits to being a Nazi, you know their political views are dogshit and their solutions immoral and ineffective.

Then, they announced they were now "the alt-right" and everything suddenly changed. Not their opinions, pundits and idols of course, but their access to communication.

That tiny bit of plausible deniability bought them space on platforms they had only dreamed of. They were allowed to build themselves little communities full of abusive scum on major social media sites. Some of them were even on television! It's the furthest they'd ever been able to push their views before they were spat on.

By the time "Unite the Right" rolled around, they were feeling untouchable. They whipped off their masks, triumphantly declared "Ha! We were nazis all along!" and started marching around with tiki torches, chanting antisemetic catch phrases and waving Nazi flags. They even got to do a bit of domestic terrorism against innocent people.

But the fallout was huge. The platforms that had been coddling them and claiming "it's important to hear all viewpoints" suddenly treated them like radioactive cups of asparagus piss.

The rebranding they'd worked so hard on was ruined. Everyone knew they were neo-nazis again, only discernible from the original National Socialists by the word "SJWs" scrawled in crayon at the bottom of their list of undesirables.

But they learned from that mistake. They learned to stay mask on and never, ever "reveal their powerlevel", even as they wrote Mein Kamph fan fiction and attacked anyone who wasn't straight, white and stupid.

Labels were to be avoided at all costs. If anyone asked, they were simply "conservatives", perhaps even "centrists". It was the social media equivalent of the Proud Boys in their khaki pants and white balaclavas, still fuming over the jobs, friends and family they lost when they went out without them.

Because without labels, they couldn't be criticised. They'd used 1984 not as a warning, but as an inspiration. They had to control the language. The "alt-right" was not only dead, it had never existed at all.

And if people reverted to simply calling them "nazis" again, they had a catch phrase to use as a shield, parroted by scumbags and useful idiots alike.

"The left just call anyone who disagrees with them a Nazi".

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 10 months ago (4 children)

Rule 3: You're not allowed to say I'm a Nazi.
Lol, lmao. It's beyond satire that a community named "conservative" needs this as a rule.

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[–] Zombiepirate 22 points 10 months ago (11 children)

MAGA = fascist.

If you cover it up it makes you complicit.

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[–] toomanypancakes 19 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Don't call us what we are! Wahh! You're hurting my feefees!

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[–] PizzaMan 16 points 10 months ago

Every year the onion does amazing work, and then stuff like this happens that reminds me that they ultimately can never match this level of irony.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

https://www.nytimes.com/article/trump-2025-second-term.html?unlocked_article_code=1.-kw._E2_.tDTs1BAduJ05&smid=nytcore-android-share

'I'm gonna persecute my political enemies'

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/biden-says-trump-echoed-nazis-with-use-word-vermin-2023-11-15/

https://newrepublic.com/article/176877/trump-vermin-speech-nazi-language

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/trumps-campaign-respond-vermin-1234876758/

“their existence will be crushed” by Trump. In a statement to The Washington Post, Cheung said: “Those who try to make that ridiculous assertion are clearly snowflakes grasping for anything because they are suffering from Trump Derangement Syndrome and their entire existence will be crushed when President Trump returns to the White House.”

'My enemies are vermin, I will wipe them out'

And you wonder why people throw the word Nazi around.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago

What else would you call someone virtually quoting "Mein Kampf?"

[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago

Hell of a lot better than my “Conservatives Only” tag idea or banning bad faith arguments

Idk who argues in bad faith, but that's a shitty thing to do.

The words Nazi and Fascist have no meaning. No one is referring to 1940s Germany or 1930s Italy. It’s just name-calling at this point.

I guess we can play this game of taboo. Poo by any other name smells just as bad.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago

Literally 1984

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago

So authoritarian and reminiscent of 1930’s Germany.

[–] AllonzeeLV 3 points 10 months ago

How about Eurasia? Is that banned yet?

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