- Test your backup/restore procedures regularly. An untested backup is as good as no backup.
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yes i should keep a text document with the recovery plan, with all the commands that i have to type, on my nextcloud. Oh, wait... :D
Some years ago, being a linux noob, I have created a VM to setup aBitcoin Lightning node. The blockchain is huge and my idea was to passthrough a 2 TB (/dev/sdc). Had to restart my homeserver because of some hoste settings I've changed. Didn't see that sdc changed to sda and sdb (8TB fully encrpyted drive with my smb shares on it(seperate VM) to sdc. So far no problem. Because I didnt't knew that the device names changed, I started the initilization process which formats the passthrouged HDD. Oh boy, when I heared the 8TB HDD spin up and doing it's thing, the 2 TB HDD was still in spin-down, I panicked and shut down the server. End of story, 8 TB data was unrecoverable (lost all of my photos since I was a kid (~100k), lots of redownloadable stuff, gladly everything sensitive was backuped, like private seeds, work stuff, docuements, ...) Never use /dev/sdX device paths, use UUIDs. They exist for a reason.
Never use /dev/sdX device paths, use UUIDs. They exist for a reason.
This is absolutely fantastic advice.
You can label your devices. When formatting, do mkfs.ext4 -l my-descriptive-name /dev/whatever. Now, refer to it exclusively by /dev/disk/by-label/my-descriptive-name. Much harder to mix up home and swap than sdc2 and sdc3 (or, for that matter, two UUIDs).
That and permissions are likely the main problem, dependencies are likely the next xD
We all went through some educational episodes like yours.
Wisdom has to be earned the hard way. If we're lucky, we're just given a good scare.
Wise words!
If anyone else is reading this in the future:
After 8 hours the backup is restored (of course i stored it on a wd green...) but then nextcloud gave error 500 with lots of errors like:
Doctrine\DBAL\Exception: Failed to connect to the database: An exception occurred in the driver: SQLSTATE[HY000] [1129] Host '172.26.0.1' is blocked because of many connection errors; unblock with 'mariadb-admin flush-hosts' in /var/www/html....
DON'T PANIC. You didn't screw up the restore!
Just access your database with heidisql or your favorite tool and query FLUSH HOSTS;
if any one else reading this in the future
My guy just documenting for his future self, if it ever happens again.
Haha
Been there 🤣
Can't tell you how many times I've googled things and found my own posts and bug reports.
- Always run prod services in a VM or LXC
- Snapshot before touching anything
Fucking up in EZ mode just becomes an hour wasted.
Having full backups is good too, of course.
I'm currently setting up proxmox just for that. Since I'm still quite new to self hosting, I fuck up from time to time. Deleted my root file system once. Updated Nginx proxy manager and took down my services with it. I once fucked up iptables, scary stuff.
In the future, it'll be one click and everything works again. It's so easy on novices, once you get everything going.
I ham-fistedly use LXC to keep my services separate and out of dependancy hell, but would you go as far as putting docker run services in them as well just to keep them away from the host?
I do that, each separate docker stack has its own unprivileged LXC as a base
Good to know, thanks!
Be aware that, in the past anyway, Docker didn’t like some storage mediums when running in LXC (I think there are [were?] issues if you snapshot the LXC image on ZFS and you’re using the Overlay2 driver for Docker), and that you could often find issues with networking that way as well (might be a problem if you are trying to cluster/swarm between multiple LXCs?). For those reasons I’ve kept all my Docker stuff in kvm rather than LXC, I wasn’t experienced enough to untangle it all.
I did the exact same thing 3 or so years ago. Thankfully I already had a backup but it was a bit nerve wracking to log in to next cloud and it was empty and then browsing the mount and having it also be empty
there's user error in this case, but imho it's a bug that the initialization scripts deletes hundreds of gb without any warning or an override command. Files weren't even owned by www-data! Ok to copy new install files, but not wipe clean...
if one day some web exploit manages to delete/rename/move the file that the script detects as "installation done", it could lead to a worldwide massive data loss when the server reboots
Welp that's it, I'm never using Nextcloud.
yeah thats what im taking away from this too.. you dont just rm -rf shit in any application without some good ass verification from the user
OP said he's been using a Docker image that it's "official by Docker", and not the AIO image official by Nextcloud. The issue here is a random contributor on GitHub's docker organization. Afaik those images are not carefully tested, docker, as many floss organizations rely primarily on contributors, and plenty of these are amateurs or students trying to build a profile..
The script that killed OP's files (entrypoint.sh) also exists in the official Nextcloud AIO image, and the offending line is there as well:
rsync -rlD --delete --exclude-from=/upgrade.exclude /usr/src/nextcloud/ /var/www/html/
I believe the --delete option is the problem here, it will delete all files in the target dir that aren't in the source dir.
Ironically, the script even has a directory_empty function it could use to double-check the target dir, but it doesn't use it for this particular dir. 😆
So, bottom line, a Nextcloud install will wipe out the target dir if you're not careful and I stand by my decision to not touch it with a ten-foot pole.
On an unrelated note: yeah it's confusing that the official Nextcloud AIO docker image is not on Docker Hub and what you get when you search for nextcloud is a "Docker official image" that's actually community-maintained. But as I said in my other comment in this particular case the problem exists in both images.
Using snapshots on a copy-on-write filesystem such as zfs or btrfs is actually a very good idea. There exist auto-snapshot services that are quite easy to set up and take snapshots with different granularity and maximum number of kept snapshots e.g. every 15m, hour, day, week.
Please note that even snapshots and RAID never replace an off-site backup. When setting up Nextcloud I was even so paranoid and configured the backups to be pulled by the remote machine where they will be stored (and the Nextcloud machine does not even have credentials to access it).
Was it the official container image or 3rd party? Whichever it was, they should get notified so that init script can get fixed to prevent similar happening to others.
Official image
Edit: official but from docker, not official from nextcloud, because I don't like AIO images, I like having everything separate
Edit 2: the documentation says to use named docker volumes. I don't like using volumes because I feel they're harder to backup, I want individual file control so I used mount points. Because they're assuming that everyone is using named volumes, they assume they can wipe without problems. But they don't specify to avoid using mount points and/or that's dangerous because of those assumptions.
3rd party, but the official image will do the same (rsync --delete). The 3rd party project has an issue open for it. I couldn't find a similar issue for the AIO image (but maybe I didn't search for the right thing).
Acronyms, initialisms, abbreviations, contractions, and other phrases which expand to something larger, that I've seen in this thread:
| Fewer Letters | More Letters |
|---|---|
| IP | Internet Protocol |
| LXC | Linux Containers |
| RAID | Redundant Array of Independent Disks for mass storage |
3 acronyms in this thread; the most compressed thread commented on today has 6 acronyms.
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Borg supports a remote append only mode but you need a borg client on the remote machine.
This is why I use OMV and Nextcloud. A daily backup job duplicates everything to OMV. A weekly OMV backup job goes into Skiff drive. Fool me once...
The worst I did is wanting to replace the WAN interface on my Opnsense router. I didn't check properly and replaced my LAN interface instead, rendering the router inaccessible and fucking up my network. Luckily, its a VM on proxmox that was still accessible from IP. I just opened a console to the VM and found out that the whole configuration is in a file. Also, a copy is saved with every configuration change. I just found the right one to restore and voilà! My network was back up.