When was the last time Israel's actions were proportionate? When they bombed that journalist's house? When they fired missiles at journalists in Lebanon? When they shot Shireen Abu Akleh? When they sold Pegasus to Saudi Arabia so they could target Jamal Khashoggi and his friends and family? When they sunk the USS Liberty?
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Shoulda killed just 1400 gazans and parade their corpses in Jérusalem and call it a day, smh
You act like similar things haven't been done by isrealis in the last month.
where? when? links!
https://youtu.be/DoEcSVx6ODM?si=XgJ-Y1DDBR6oimfk
It's not like it's a pattern or practice typical of both sides.
https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/israel-palestine-war-cheer-footage-show-soldiers-abuse
Keep going?
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/20/israelis-cheer-gaza-bombing
Need more?
- First video: shame. but yes, need 1399 more to make a "proportionate" answer. EDIT: but body wans't paraded, not "proportionate" even closely
- Meh, nobody died
- That dude was suspended, hardly an argument
- lol "middleeasteye" really wants to show how Israelis hate palestinians heh? But meh, no one is dead, after rapid reading
- Meh again, cheering for deaths is shameful but doesn't contribute to more deads
That's a lot of hedging and you know they didn't actually carry 1400 people, there's video of maybe a half dozen and similarly the Palestinian death toll by all accounts is over 10000 today half of which are children because 90% of the population of Gaza is 18 or younger.
I have nothing to gain nor to lose whatever the result of this conflict is: but Isralis have higher moral ground just because they haven't asserted "Kill all palestinians" as their primal goal.
Also I don't see what will change now if they stop offensive, from their perspective? Hamas is still there. Literally nothing has changed, except those 10 000 deaths (according to Hamas)
No, they don't want to "kill all Palestinians", but they do want to "regularly mow the grass".
And let's not forget all the journalists they've assassinated, or how they sell weapons grade hacking technology to oppressive regimes (NSO's Pegasus was involved in the killing of Jamal Khashoggi by Saudi Arabia).
Everything you said looks correct to me, i upvote
No worries. I do want to add one thing though, related to:
Isralis have higher moral ground just because they haven’t asserted “Kill all palestinians” as their primal goal.
I think it's more accurate to say that Israel is often perceived to have the higher moral ground. Israel is generally much better at creating positive public image, particularly in the international community. However that image is now wearing thin.
And let me guess - all Palestinians asserted "kill all Israelis" as their primary goal?
All of Hamas did (and Hamas enjoy a pretty large population support)
We can finger point all day, but let's at least not pretend people close to Netanyahu haven't called for the "termination" of Gaza and its people. If all Palestinians are responsible for the actions of Hamas, so are all Israelites responsible for the actions of the IDF (sounds kind of asinine doesn't it?)
It certainly does indeed.
But after what happened the 7th October, I don't see what you expect Israelis to do? Just send good vibes & prayers to victims families? They absolutely need to destroy Hamas, as counting on their political decay is not an option
"It certainly does indeed.
But after what happened post 1917, I don't see what you expect Palestinians to do? Just send good vibes & prayers to victims families? They absolutely need to destroy Likud, as counting on their political decay is not an option"
Lol sorry but your figure of speech doesn't work
Are you really getting out your 1917 arguments? I think it plays against you
He's pointing out the absurdity of putting a timeline of less than a year on a conflict that spans millinia.
By who's account ya fuck?
by their own. Ya fuck.
Except they don't but go on spouting propaganda.
Hamas garnered the most support at 34 per cent
34 is less than half of you can't figure it out on your own.
Well yeah, that's what happens when one side is winning in a war.
They're not out there to torture and murder civilians indiscriminately. They're there to eradicate Hamas and the network of terror tunnels they've built under their own population.
It was never meant to be proportional retaliation, it was meant to achieve a specific goal.