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Discussion of climate, how it is changing, activism around that, the politics, and the energy systems change we need in order to stabilize things.

As a starting point, the burning of fossil fuels, and to a lesser extent deforestation and release of methane are responsible for the warming in recent decades: Graph of temperature as observed with significant warming, and simulated without added greenhouse gases and other anthropogentic changes, which shows no significant warming

How much each change to the atmosphere has warmed the world: IPCC AR6 Figure 2 - Thee bar charts: first chart: how much each gas has warmed the world.  About 1C of total warming.  Second chart:  about 1.5C of total warming from well-mixed greenhouse gases, offset by 0.4C of cooling from aerosols and negligible influence from changes to solar output, volcanoes, and internal variability.  Third chart: about 1.25C of warming from CO2, 0.5C from methane, and a bunch more in small quantities from other gases.  About 0.5C of cooling with large error bars from SO2.

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[–] fosiacat 57 points 11 months ago (1 children)

but....... biden signed more oil drilling contracts than trump did.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/12/06/biden-is-approving-more-oil-gas-drilling-permits-public-lands-than-trump-analysis-finds/

can it survive another bullshit neolib puppet? we need progressives, not corporate lib shills.

DISCLAIMER FOR THE PEOPLE THAT DON’T UNDERSTAND YOU CAN AND SHOULD CRITICIZE YOUR OWN PARTY WITHOUT SUPPORTING THE OTHER: I AM NOT A REPUBLICAN.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 11 months ago (1 children)

wow very democratic that you cant criticize the other party without seeming like an enemy of your own

we live in good times indeed

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

Your name and comment are deeply ironic, given the Stalin purges

[–] obinice 38 points 11 months ago (2 children)

As someone who isn't from that country, the climate can't survive more USA, who's running it doesn't seem to make much difference.

(Not that they're the only country causing this global disaster of course, just the one highlighted in this post)

[–] [email protected] 15 points 11 months ago

From another outsiders perspective the difference seems to be that the Democrats invest in green technologies, whereas the Republicans do not. Both support fossil fuels thou.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Can’t survive another Biden term either. It’s the planet or capitalism and the people in charge would rather kill us all than end capitalism.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 11 months ago (1 children)

What he's been able to do has been limited by the most conservative Democrat whose vote was needed to pass legislation.

Get a better congress along with a Biden reelection, and it puts us into the we-stand-a-chance range

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

the only thing that will change is more rigged-to-fail 'attempts' to look like theyre trying

america isn't on a path to fix things, anyone who says otherwise is completely delusional

[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Correct me if I'm wrong but their military is a huge polluter, and I don't see that as being something either side would change due to the politics around fucking with the military, so it's even more of a problem on top of the already massive problem that is capitalism

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Biden has started going down the road of electricifying the military. But of course, slimming down the military is the kind of holy cow neither mainstream party would touch. We are seeing a quasi-worldwide military push anyway, which is unsurprising in the wider context of missing global climate action.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I was referring to burn pits that I've vaguely heard of, feel like they'd still be a pretty large problem

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

There's more important issues than burn pits tbh:

The Department of Defense uses 4,600,000,000 US gallons (1.7×1010 L) of fuel annually, an average of 12,600,000 US gallons (48,000,000 L) of fuel per day. A large Army division may use about 6,000 US gallons (23,000 L) per day. According to the 2005 CIA World Factbook, if it were a country, the DoD would rank 34th in the world in average daily oil use, coming in just behind Iraq and just ahead of Sweden.

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[–] PopOfAfrica 26 points 11 months ago (1 children)

The climate is just not going to survive period. Democrats also don't have the will to do anything on this topic.

[–] [email protected] -4 points 11 months ago (2 children)

The climate will be fine, we however, are fucked.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

Earth will be fine, it's a giant rock. The climate and anything alive is fucked

[–] MotoAsh 1 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Humans survive better than most animals. What do you think the world will look like if not even the apex species will survive?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

I don't think anyone questions that humans will survive. It's just unlikely that the complex global supply chain that gives us complex tools like microchips etc will survive. And may be massive famine etc after just a few harvest failure, or after the grain can't go down the rivers to the sea any more. Naturally not for the very rich, you can probably buy a bag of rice at a price. It's not survival that's at stake, its civilization and all that.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

I'm sure some bacteria and virus will survive the Venus like conditions for a short while

[–] neanderthal 19 points 11 months ago (1 children)

My fellow Americans, Tuesday is an election day. Get off your asses and vote. I will be making a post Tuesday.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 11 months ago (2 children)

The climate will be just fine (give or take a few tens of thousands of years). It's us and all complex organisms above a certain size that are fucked.

[–] Sterile_Technique 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Can't make any assumptions one way or another. We're dealing with positive feedback loops, so even if humans all get Thanos-snapped out of existence RIGHT NOW putting a full stop to emissions, pollution, etc, the environment will continue to worsen on its own because of the downward spirals we've set into motion.

The question is how long those feedback loops can go until they're broken naturally; or if they even can be broken naturally.

We may well have set our planet on a warming path that ends with it being molten, or one that sheds our atmosphere into space.

So... things might fix themselves after we go extinct; or it'll get worse until even the most resilient of extremophiles can't carry on, and Earth becomes another lifeless rock floating in space.

/shrug

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago

That's true. We couldve pulled a Venus, which would suck massive donkey balls.

[–] DarkSpectrum 1 points 11 months ago

This is the correct answer