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[–] [email protected] 103 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Let me guess what kind of people predominantly lived in the neighborhoods that were bulldozed.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago (2 children)
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[–] WaxedWookie 15 points 1 year ago

Sadly, I don't think there's enough uncertainty to consider it a guess.

[–] [email protected] 71 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Sure the designers of this monstrosity thought, "There are only black people living there, so it's a win-win" -.-

[–] playereightyone 15 points 1 year ago

You can thank Robert Moses for that.

[–] [email protected] 52 points 1 year ago

The expressway must expand in order to acommodate the increasing needs of the expressway

[–] biofaust 39 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

Am I the only one who finds the 1950s version also not nice from an urban planning perspective? I mean, it is a car-centered design anyway.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (8 children)

Still, do you see how many trees there are? That place must've still looked nice and was certainly transformable into a really nice place without unreasonable effort.

Now, it's basically a wasteland.

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[–] grue 11 points 1 year ago

No, the 1950s version (actually more like 1900s; those houses were already decades old at the time they were photographed) was good. It was a traditional street grid with small blocks, and there were streetcars going all over the place. Sure it was mostly single-family (probably with more than a few duplexes sprinkled in), but it had great bones for densifying later when demand justified it.

I live only a few miles from the area pictured, in a neighborhood with the same development pattern. Even though it's been damaged by the removal of the old streetcars and having zoning superimposed upon it after the fact (which causes problems by mandating things like too-large setbacks and minimum parking requirements, as well as outlawing corner stores within residential areas), it's still mostly fine.

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 year ago (1 children)

JUST ONE MORE LAME,I SWEAR TO GOD, JUST ONE MORE LANE AND WE'RE DONE. ONE MOAR LANE. MOAAAAR

[–] uis 10 points 1 year ago

A little lane of asphalt please,

More pollution if I freeze,

Running over children these,

A fresh bouquet of cancers.

(Parody of Glass of Water)

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago

Looks like what happens with headphone cables in the pocket.

[–] clearedtoland 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Nice little neighborhood you got there. Would be a shame if someone needed a new highway, wouldn’t it?

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Weird how it always goes through the minority neighborhood

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I've been playing cities skyline and I'll be honest, when my city gets like that I just restart.

[–] jettrscga 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

And in Cities Skyline you can just pause time, delete and fix a bunch of shit, and continue. Instant and nobody complains that you just bulldozed their house.

I think highways would look nicer if real city planners had the ability to redesign everything vs add on pieces over time.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I like to think that people who get relocated in my skylines games get compensated appropriately and receive decent support in their relocation.

Because video games are supposed to be a form of escapism and it doesn't get more escapism than that :/

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)

When you bulldoze houses in skylines and unpause you'll notice your population goes down. Because they were inside the houses. That you bulldozed. Have a good day!

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Nope, they're temporarily not counted as residents because they're enjoying an all expenses stay in the swankiest spot in town as they await their new construction!

Nice try!

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Cities should be built around people, not motor vehicles.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (3 children)

How do roads even end up like this? The cloverleaf is as extreme as I'm willing to drive through. If anything like this came up in Google maps for my drive I would just nope on home.

[–] grue 23 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Engineer answer: being a stack interchange, it's actually easier to navigate than a cloverleaf because there's only one exit in each direction instead of separate "A" and "B" exits with an entrance ramp and weaving in between. The complexity in this case simply comes from the fact that it's superimposed on top of what used to be a street grid, so they added a bunch of exits to local streets.

Big-picture answer: the desire to put freeways there in the first place is the product of mental illness.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

Yeah they only seem complicated from the air, on the ground you just read the signs and it's always clear, or if you're using your phone - just go in the lane it tells you

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[–] notannpc 10 points 1 year ago

It’s a good thing removing all those homes definitely didn’t cause or contribute to any way more serious problems in society. Right?

/s

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)
[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Any block is a swastika block if you ignore the right set of roads.

But that's not the block's fault ;)

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

You can take this picture in just about any city in the US too. NYT did a pretty good piece about it, gifted so y'all can read it: Can Removing Highways Fix America’s Cities? https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/05/27/climate/us-cities-highway-removal.html?unlocked_article_code=1.60w.uuX5.Oo4CsHZXGv8Q&smid=nytcore-android-share

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[–] geogle 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

FYI, unless I'm mistaken, that is spaghetti junction and it's not actually in Atlanta, but just northeast of it in Doraville

Edit: I was severely mistaken...

[–] arditty 22 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Sadly, that’s the intersection of I-75/85 and I-20, right in the middle of downtown ATL. Here’s a more recent picture showing some more context.

Also, here’s an article talking about the history of I-20 being built through Atlanta: https://smartgrowthamerica.org/program/divided-by-design/atlanta-ga/

[–] grue 9 points 1 year ago

Also, here’s an article talking about the history of I-20 being built through Atlanta: https://smartgrowthamerica.org/program/divided-by-design/atlanta-ga/

There are still some chucklefucks who want to build I-485 (tunneling under the rich white neighborhoods north of I-20 and bulldozing straight through the poorer and blacker ones south of it, of course).

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

As another said, that's not spaghetti junction (Tom Moreland interchange), but frankly people get pretty fast and loose with how much of the surrounding area they'll call 'Atlanta' anyway. The actual city of Atlanta proper is much smaller than most people would think by just looking at a satellite photo, and the distinction between the many cities usually doesn't matter much unless you live there.

[–] adrian783 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

when people say Atlanta to people that don't live in the surrounding area they really mean the greater metro Atlanta area.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

“What do you mean, why's it got to be built?” he said. “It's a bypass. You've got to build bypasses.” Bypasses are devices that allow some people to dash from point A to point B very fast while other people dash from point B to point A very fast.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Zoom out slightly.

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