If it was alien, it's specs would have been leaked to the War Thunder forums
this post was submitted on 17 Oct 2023
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This guy warthunders
According to military tech journalist on sandbox all war thunder leaks are not actual leaks of classified stuff. That stuff was already on the internet before leak. (he couldn't check china stuff because of language barrier)
That might have been convincing if the US DOD didn't bring down the hammer on the idiots that leak the info.
The stuff according to him was not classed as classified, but as sensitive user manual type info. Stuff was already on internet and spread among allies.
It doesn't mean its ok to go make new copies to internet. Lol
Cool, how come we’re not establishing military superiority or solving climate change or crazy things we’d certainly be able to accomplish if aliens figured out prolonged space travel.
I’ll wait
The lack of response indicates, I hope, that people don't have enough info to answer that with any certainty. One possibility is because none of this is real. It's not the only possibility, though.
"Craft of Unknown Origin" means "we don't know if it's Russian or Chinese".
Or it just means "we don't know who made this."
Could be because it's some skunkworks project that this dude wasn't read into; could be we made it, and it's just a secret.
He didn't notice the "Made in Taiwan" sticker.
/s
Yeah because Russia totally has this in their back pocket and isn’t using it in Ukraine because they like losing
What is "this"? Do you know what "it" is? It just says "craft of unknown origin". Do you have more details?
Do you? Because you’re the one saying unknown origin = Russian or Chinese. You’re the one making the claim.
No, all I'm saying is that whatever it is it not aliens. You're suggesting it's some advanced tech that Russian would use in war. How do you know it's even a weapon? How do you know it's more advanced than a toaster? Nothing like that is even suggested in the article. It just says "unknown origin".
No, all I'm saying is that whatever it is it not aliens.
"Craft of Unknown Origin" means "we don't know if it's Russian or Chinese".
Not my fault you don't have any sense of humor.
boo shitty joke and shitty retrospective re-categorization
You're right, it's definitely not as funny as you thinking that whatever they have is some secret alien weapon.
the more they say they exist the less I believe it lol
That is certainly a fair response.
Donald Trump has been president and was told all the secrets the president gets to hear... I think if there was secret extra terrestrial stuff, we would know by now. I do think there are aliens, but I don't think anyone anywhere has any proof yet.
I actually subscribe to the theories mentioned in one of the most recent kurzgesagt videos. It combines two separate theories into a reasonable blended conclusion.
The first theory, is that as far back as we have been able to determine, life has increased in complexity at a pretty predictable rate. The only thing that doesn't follow that pattern is that the earliest life found on our planet seems more complex than that formula allows for. If we keep following the formula back, the time at which life would have been uncomplicated enough to explain it's random formation from inert base materials was way back in the early universe.
The other theory, is that there was a time in the early universe where for hundreds of millions of years long, almost the entire universe was at a temperature range where liquid water would have existed. That time period lines up with the time the complexity of life formula predicts life started.
So if it ends up being that both those theories are correct, then life likely started in the entire universe at the same time, and is roughly equally as complex everywhere in the universe at the same time. And it was only deposited on earth from a meteor when we first have record of life on earth. Which would be a pretty common way of it being distributed to other places too. We've already seen plenty of earth based life forms that could theoretically survive a trip through space. And they have no good reason to have evolved that way.
The cool part about if these theories are both correct is that meeting aliens is much more likely to be how we depict it in our better sci-fi games and TV shows. Aliens will all be roughly equally advanced and have technologies worth trading, and we'll have stuff worth it to them. Although significantly fewer of them will likely be bi-pedal humanoids.
It also would explain the paradox of how common they should be and why we have no signs of them yet. They are likely not much further ahead/behind on stuff like space travel or making use of radio waves and stuff. Just depends on the luck of the draw on what they would focus on and when they happened to gain enough intelligence as a random mutation that actually stuck. Humans actually technically shouldn't be there yet naturally. Surprisingly a huge part of the last 10'000 years of human progress is thanks to what we up until recently referred to as "mental illness". It just so happens to be the only way to get up into the "genius" level of intellect currently.
Unfortunately it does so by way of a random process that accidentally duplicates sections of DNA and omits what was supposed to be in the area the duplicate instead took up. Which has alot of downsides, the main one being that it doesn't always result in a viable or useful human. But when it does, and when that human got alot of copies of a part of DNA that makes part of the brain, and didn't lose parts that were too important, the brain can compensate through neuroplasticity to a degree for the parts that weren't originally made. But the parts that were made extra densely basically give free extra intelligence in that area.
Then that human has to go on to actually use that gift productively, which is one of the biggest filters unfortunately. There are many reasons why though, so if you zoom in closer and take a look at each reason individually, it's only the biggest filter if you categorize them all together.
Anyway, this has gone on long enough, I could ramble about it for hours. Either way, main point is, I hope those theories are correct. If so, the future of life seems way more interesting than if they are not correct.
Although I may not completely subscribe to these theories, this is an excellent write-up and definitely a possibility. Thank you for sharing!
Life starting in roughly the same cosmological era wouldn’t result in civilizations of comparable advancement because a civilization’s advancement is many orders of magnitude faster than cosmological evolution.
If we encountered human civilization from 1,000 years in the future we might not be able to understand or recognize it.
But the first half, that the complexity of life increases at a predictable rate at least would put all life on an even footing, still a ton of room for random. But it's hard to say if we should assume we had good luck, bad luck, or average luck.
Corbell put the following question to Lacatski:
“You told us because you were allowed to tell us that our government has a UFO in its possession and has been able to access the inside of it, right?”
Lacatski responded:
“Yes, I was allowed to tell you.”
Between this statement and what Grusch was cleared to discuss, it could suggest that admitting to UAP/NHI may be on a roadmap. However, I think at the end of the day, the biggest thing the government would want to protect is its advantages over other nations. If there is any form of disclosure from the US, the military will do everything in its power to prevent technology and research coming to light. Other countries knowing that we have it is an advantage, but any details beyond that weakens that leg up.
In the recent weaponized podcast they discuss Grusch and one guest in particular goes out of his way to fuel speculation that Grusch believes he's telling the truth but may have been lied to, possibly by others who are also in the same boat. This has been a consistent narrative. Makes me nervous.
I wouldn't be surprised if there were some lies in the info supplied to Grusch. Though it sounds like he spoke with a wide range of people across agencies that would paint the correct picture as a whole. There will be some details that turn out false, so the important thing will be congress and anyone investigating to not give up after a few dead ends.
Congress should also be getting some more details about Grusch's claims, since they're now cleared for a SCIF. This should hopefully help get more witnesses or evidence for a future hearing.
Yes, I think the speed with which we see the next closed session and who is called to it will be the next crumb we receive.
Oh, so we're taking non-answers as confirmation now? How disappointing.
I'm not taking this as confirmation. I'm simply sharing all relevant information I can find. I'll leave it up to the individual to make up their own mind. I'm glad you're in the community and you are certainly entitled to your own opinions.
That's all this place is: opinions, conjecture, whimsy. 🤷🏼♂️
If you have more to share, please do so. We are all here to discuss what is available to us and, I hope, recognize we don't have enough info to make decisions yet. That doesn't mean we can't speculate and maybe even have a little fun doing so.
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