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Non-stop Rocket Barrage on Israel: Woman killed, terrorist infiltration from Gaza, strike on Tel Aviv (www.haaretz.com)

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[–] t0m5k1 73 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (8 children)

So when Israel was given it's land via the Balfour treaty both sides were happy for a while. Yea some were pissed off but didn't act out.

Then when Israel got settled and comfy they decided to try to grab the rest of "their" land even though this broke the treaty.

Since then the land grab has gotten blatant and they've created their own laws to justify it, to the point that even me saying this is seen as antisemitism even though it is totally truthful.

Well done Israel, what did you think would happen.

The ICC still want a word too!

Apartheid is still alive.

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[–] Gazumi 13 points 1 year ago (32 children)

This is a tragedy, but similar to the invasion of Ukraine with Isreal being Russia.

[–] Zippit 51 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

Wow, no one is going to mention what Israel is doing to these people? I don't agree with terrorists, but the replies should be more nuanced than 'bad Palestines'.

In my eyes, as an outsider following the news, Israel has pushed Palestinians to the brink by killing Palestine civilians, seizing more of their land AGAIN and having a dictator for a president that just changed the constitution..

If you take people's land, your military kills children, films and laughs about it, push them into poverty, and then come for their homes... Sometimes this is the only way to say 'enough'.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I think the tragedy is that this goes both ways: if a group of people that just escaped a genocide, gets attacked by all its neighboring countries as soon as they have a state of their own, are explicitly threatened with extinction and are attacked over and over again by military actions and terrorist attacks... sometimes people will try to assert absolute dominance in order to try to ensure their own physical safety above everything else.

Note: I am very much not justifying any of the above. I just think that it's not very surprising that people act this way, and that Hamas & Co of course know this - just as the Israeli government & Co know how people react to their actions. In my opinion neither the Israeli government (and orthodox settlers etc.) nor the Hamas (and similar groups) are honestly trying to unfuck the situation.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

Rational take.

[–] assassin_aragorn 3 points 1 year ago

I wish more people could look at this like you. The violence currently ongoing in Israel is unconscionable -- no treatment can justify attacking civilians. It's just as unconscionable as Israel bombing civilians in Palestine.

Neither action is productive even in a war context. Killing civilians doesn't get you closer to your goal. It just makes your enemy even angrier and gives them righteous justification for their actions. But even that doesn't justify them killing your civilians.

Hamas and Israel's conservative government are content to keep killing innocent people -- to what end? How do they not see that it's completely unproductive to their own goals?

[–] ron209 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Come live in israel and see how is it for us. And I'm saying this as a left wing pro human rights anti settlement opposer of the current fascist government

[–] Maalus 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Come live in Gaza?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

Exactly lmao

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago

I'm glad you oppose you fascist government. Sadly, like it is here in America, a lot of the citizens support the fascism. If you see interviews with Israelis, they often talk like Palestinians aren't even human. It's so saddening.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

I think he's saying that it's like Israel is the invader, similar to Russia.

[–] Gazumi 16 points 1 year ago

There appears to be some confusion. Before anyone decides to post a viewpoint based upon a timeslot of their choosing, please search for yourselves when Israel was created and its boundaries. Then track the boundaries every 10 years and see where they are today. Then ask yourselves what you would do if you were pressed so far.