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...but I hate that you can practically only use it with IntelliJ. Trying to use it with just Gradle and vscode is such a pain and maybe even impossible to get anything more than basic syntax highlighting. That is all.

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[+] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Not to upset anybody, but after I installed the JetBrains toolbox some months ago, I started having an idea about where their business model is going to. We should be ready to subscribe and pay for the IDEs we use. And considering the amazing work they are doing to maintain the whole ecosystem, it's worth it. But then I expect customer care for when Gradle builds are broken 🤣

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

I mean that has been their business model for some time now, just like with most other software nowadays. But unlike most other software their prices are extremely reasonable; when you buy it consecutively for years you get progressive discounts. I actually *need * only one editor but I pay for them all because the cost of the full package is just slightly higher and their IDEs are amazing. A few times a year I use one of the "other" editors for personal projects and such.

[–] breadsmasher 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Have you reviewed this article at all?

https://in-kotlin.com/ide/vscode/setup-vscode-for-kotlin-development/

[–] paperplane 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

That article tells you how to set up syntax highlighting and run the command-line compiler by hand, not really comparable to IntelliJ... The article feels like a generic SEO post

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I just hate using Gradle with it. Or at all.

[–] platypus_plumba 14 points 1 year ago

10 minutes after migrating from Maven to Gradle...

"Wow, I can do the same I did with Maven with such a small configuration and a few lines of code".

2 months later....

"Wtf is broken!!? Wtf is going on?"

2 hours later...

"Wtf is broken!!? Wtf is going on?"

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Gradle only exists for legal reasons, so maven doesn't have a monopoly.

[–] aleq 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Gradle is fantastic, but there is this mantra you have to chant while tinkering with it:

I hate Gradle, I hate Gradle, I hate Gradle, I hate Gradle, I hate Gradle

But once you get it to do whatever you want it's way more powerful than Maven, since it's actual code. Also you will never get me to voluntarily define my project structure in XML.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

A bit like this? https://github.com/Anuken/Mindustry/commit/5548e727501793479c4cdb557e267a9441dd5698

[–] aleq 1 points 1 year ago

Yes, but at the end there should be a single all lowercase "i love gradle"

[–] zsmb 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Disclaimer: I work for JetBrains.

Genuinely curious, why do you prefer using VS Code over IntelliJ? What do you get there that you don't get in IntelliJ, or in other words, and what would IntelliJ need to do for you to choose to use it?

Also, have you tried Fleet yet? If you're a VS Code fan, it might appeal to you.

[–] bigtlb 1 points 1 year ago

Disclaimer: I don't work for JetBrains. I just admire what they have been doing. 😊

I'm not quite sure what your frustration is.

Is your problem that you only want free and Open Source IDE?

IntelliJ Community is free, and even Open Source.

Is your concern that you don't want your options limited to just one IDE?

VSCode with a few plugins can do a really serviceable job.
Fleet is pretty good too, but the free version will only be for non-commercial development.
You could even use Eclipse
- Although, for the life of me, I don't know why anyone would choose it over IntelliJ

Personally, I really love what JetBrains has done with their IDE's. As a .NET developer, I used to live and die by Visual Studio, and it had its frustrations. That was where I first met JetBrains and the magic of ReSharper. Then, when developing for Android I felt the frustrated with Eclipse, and cheered when Android Studio became available.

When I started using both Kotlin and C# for development. I found JetBrains products so useful that I bought a personal subscription and convinced my company to get licenses for all interested developers..

We've even moved our legacy .NET development to Rider (reducing VS licenses and more than covering the cost of all the JetBrains license). Aside from a limitation on T4, templates it is much better than VS ever was (and cross platform too)!