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[–] _number8_ 112 points 11 months ago (2 children)

aside from the issue of 'prohibition still doesn't work', i don't think giving kids or "underage" adults criminal charges for cigarettes is making anything better for anyone

[–] [email protected] 81 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (37 children)

Smoking age is specifically the ability to purchase. There are no criminal/civil charges for underage smoking. The crimes are specifically 1) selling to minors 2) buying for minors.

TL;DR: No one goes/will go to jail for underage smoking. They won’t even get in trouble for buying. The onus is on the vendor OR the legal purchaser who handed them off.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 11 months ago (4 children)

I know this is pretty radical, but if we made smoking FFA way fewer people should theoretically start smoking in the first place. From my experience when I was still at school most of the people there were only smoking because it's "cool", making smoking legal for everyone should take the coolness factor away at least.

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[–] WheelcharArtist 62 points 11 months ago (1 children)

how to create a blackmarket with health issues

[–] TheWoozy 7 points 11 months ago

I'd prefer they start at 60 and raise it every year, but I'll take what I can get.

[–] who8mydamnoreos 34 points 11 months ago

Sunak should start publicly smoking all the time, then it will be the lamest thing and teen smoking will crater.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 11 months ago (24 children)

....how do 14 year olds get smokes now?

Making it illegal to buy at certain ages has never worked...banning them outright also won't work. You cannot stop people from doing things, no matter how many words you put on paper.

Has the war on drugs not been a thought to these people? It is useless and does nothing.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 11 months ago (4 children)

I agree that prohibition doesn't really prevent a thing from being consumed. However, I don't think an age limit really counts as prohibition. Selling substances to those who are underage is bad and there should be potential consequences for doing so.

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[–] ikidd 24 points 11 months ago (5 children)

Man the fuck up and outlaw it for everyone instead of this sneaky prohibition that only affect people that can't vote yet. It's such a cowardly, disingenuous way of doing it.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Prohibition never works, the best bet is to keep it legal and make it as inconvenient as possible like: raising taxes on tobacco, make it illegal to smoke outside of dedicated zones (Quebec has done it I believe), fine people who litter their cigarette butts (hard to implement but, it might deter a large majority from doing it), keep helping smokers to quit and keep raising awareness for younger people.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 11 months ago (3 children)

This is the way. There are so few places to smoke in BC that I pretty much only ever see people doing it 5 metres from a bus stop.

They are so expensive that the few people that still do it smoke maybe a pack a week.

We even banned the sale of no-nic vape juice because they were becoming a gateway to nicotine addiction for teenagers.

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[–] ForgotAboutDre 22 points 11 months ago (6 children)

This method stops current smokers from being criminalised.

If you ban it like prohibition, you will instantaneously create a black market. Continually increasing the age you can buy cigarettes is easier. Everyone that this effects will not have the option to legally create a cigarette habit/addiction.

A straight up outlawing would have the maximum effect. But it would be costly to enforce, whilst increasing overall criminal activity.

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 11 months ago

No no no, minimum age should increase by 360 days every year, that way people can still have hope that some day they'll be able to smoke. Staying true to how capitalism works.

[–] Icaria 21 points 11 months ago (3 children)

NZ already did this and it is the most cowardly way to avoid political blowback.

There's plenty of other options for minimising smoking. A more altruistic way is by lifting people out of poverty and tackling social disintegration, since smokers are overwhelmingly poor and disaffected.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 11 months ago (2 children)

This is an amazing, for the sole reason that everyone who is 17 and change now will turn 18, be able to smoke, the law will bump to 19, they won't be allowed to smoke any more, but then they'll turn 19 and they'll be able to smoke again until the law raises to 20...

[–] [email protected] 13 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Why adjust the law annually? Why not just write it as “no person born after Jan 1, 2005”?

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 11 months ago

I believe they passed a similar law like this in New Zealand. You could be 50 and still too young to smoke lol.

Smokefree action plan: Cigarette sales to be banned for younger generations

[–] [email protected] 16 points 11 months ago (9 children)

Cool, when does the minimum age for joining the military start to raise by one year every year?

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 11 months ago (1 children)

“We operate a Check-74 policy. If you are lucky enough to look younger than 70, we will ask for ID when buying cigarettes”

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 11 months ago (4 children)

If this is the only effort, it's weak. Better to also (or instead) tax each box by another 20 pounds. Kids don't have that money. They'll find other things to do.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (3 children)

I much prefer to see kids vaping.

It's much harder to be intimidated by a gang of 10 youths in balaclavas when they smell like a pack of Fruit Salads.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 11 months ago

New Zealand has done this

[–] [email protected] 12 points 11 months ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 12 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Back in my day we used to smoke up hill both ways in the rain and snow.

[–] fox2263 11 points 11 months ago

Big tobacco trying to kill big vape by making it exciting again to smoke and break the law

[–] Mr_nutter_butter 10 points 11 months ago

So he's nicking what newzeland did ok cool something that he's not going to profit from for a change atleast

[–] [email protected] 7 points 11 months ago (2 children)

If he wanted it to work he could make cigarettes more lethal. Kill you in a couple of months type of thing.

(Clearly not a serious suggestion in case you wonder)

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