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question about safe spaces (sh.itjust.works)
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In leftist spaces, right-leaning ideas are challenged. In right-leaning spaces, leftists are banned and leftist ideas are censored. Why are conservatives opposed to the free marketplace of ideas?

Serious question.

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[–] Dkarma 20 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Conservatives know in their hearts that they are a fringe minority when it comes to views on how to treat others.

Colbert was right reality has a liberal bias and conservatives need a safe space to pretend that the numbers are equal and that their arguments have validity.

Often times you notice conservative threads that are locked contain misinformation and outright lies. For instance they call the Russia investigation a hoax.

If reality pierces that bubble they are shown for the fools they are so they have to pretend that liberals are brigading in bad faith and not simply showing conservative views are simply invalid factually.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Thanks for the reply. This sounds a lot like how AM / Talk radio works on the right as well. Leftist talk shows actually bring on interesting guests, but right wing shows always cut the mic when the guest says something thought-provoking.

I would think conservatives would benefit from having their ideas challenged. It was the main reason why I started paying more attention to leftist ideas: they are actually defensible.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You see the same censoring on right YouTube as well. "so and so owns WOKE Trans non-binary sheep" but it's really just a clip that's cut off after their bad argument and before a logical rebuke destroys it.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

That’s why there’s a comment section. These are hardly the same thing. Do you understand why they are different?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is a confirmation bias thing, not a political thing. If you are in charge of a discussion forum you will always push it to support your confirmation bias. This is why the first amendment is so important. If the government is in charge of public discourse, the people in charge (either side) will work extra hard to ensure their opposing ideas are simply dismissed as without merit.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This just isn’t what I’ve seen in lots of leftist spaces, personally. I think it’s more of an issue when it comes to indefensible topics. For example, in a leftist community, a right-leaning person may make a statement, but then many more people will typically pile on and present arguments as to why the statement is incorrect. Sure, some of them will resort to ad hominem attacks, but for the most part, leftists attack the ideas, not the person.

But what you’ve described is 100% my experience when it comes to the conservative community. I was permabanned on reddit because a conservative mod didn’t like what I had to say. And what I had to say was pretty mild. It was argumentative and possibly toxic but boiled down to calling them “slow”, which sums up the entire ideology - slow to adapt, slow to progress, regressive.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

for the most part, leftists attack the ideas, not the person.

It was argumentative and possibly toxic but boiled down to calling them “slow”

Lol

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

What’s funny? Got anything to share? I don’t lie.

You should try contributing to the conversation instead of showing your lack of understanding.

This is my biggest issue with conservatism: there's no pragmatics, only ad hominem attacks and overconfidence. Wouldn't you rather be correct?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What’s funny?

Your stunning lack of self awareness. You posted a paragraph shitting on the other side for ad hominem attacks then immediately followed it with a paragraph bitching that they banned you for an ad hominem attack. That's funny.

showing your lack of understanding

I understand what you said, that's why I laughed at you

only ad hominem attacks

Right, like the one that got you banned from reddit

Wouldn't you rather be correct?

My opinion is that both conservatives and liberals are insufferable twats without an original thought in their collective heads who vehemently defend their off-the-shelf prepackaged beliefs with snark and insults and zero substance while denigrating the other side for doing the exact same thing. I am correct.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

“Slow” is a speed at which some people are. “Conservatism” by its very name is a bit of a call to “slow down”. Sorry if the truth hurts. I’m also slow in a lot of respects. Might be a little ad hominem, but it’s no where near the level of ad hominem attacks you’re making, I’ll give you that.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The fact that you keep implying I'm a conservative, like you can't comprehend that there's anyone out there who doesn't subscribe to either ideology and despite the fact that I lump them in with you every chance I get, is also hilarious.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 year ago

Once again I was trying to explain to you that there are more than 2 ideologies. You're the one who kept forcing this binary. I haven't called you conservative.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

You're one of the more prolific posters on MOG. I'm sure you realize that anything not supporting communism is suppressed and banned in places like Hexbear and Lemmygrad. I haven't been to the basedcount instance that much, but they were nowhere near that. Perhaps it's just that I'm not in conservative online spaces a lot though.

I most often encounter conservatives in person. They share a lot of concerns with the other side when it comes to healthcare, security, and infrastructure. My favorite issue to talk about is urbanism and how rail infrastructure has been neglected.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Left wing spaces don't have any problem banning people for thoughtcrime.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Proof?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Go on any progressive site and say something that doesn't comply with the orthodoxy.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I do. And I am still unbanned. Only time I have ever gotten banned has been by conservatives for saying the most milktoast of things. Luke warm criticism. Then again conservatives melt away at the slightest bit of heat.

I ask again.. do you have proof?

Hell, conservatives freak out when I mention vagina, penis, sperm.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

r/conservative is notorious for cancelling people who disagree with them.

Go to a progressive subreddit and tell them that the Covid vaccine is a dangerous scam and see what happens.

proof

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Well spreading lies and misinformation about healthcare another thing entirely. You can't just have a separate opinion on that. You aren't a virologist.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You still need to be able to have a debate about whether or not it's effective or dangerous.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

No, you don't. You don't have the credentials.

You're free to spout lies, but when lies aren't allowed, you get your comment removed. That's moderation, baby!

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

No, that's being a fascist, bourgeois turd.

The world saw the vaccine for what it is. Cope and seethe.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Have you ever considered being correct for once? How about learning from your mistakes.

Waiting for my apology.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Mild heat: reality.

You: meltdown.

Thanks for proving my point! You guys are all the same. Cry some more!