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[–] [email protected] 125 points 2 years ago (7 children)

You gotta stop counting total users. Only active users should be counted. We know there's utterly massive numbers of bots being created. Plus people have multiple accounts from trying out different instances even if they'll only use one.

[–] danc4498 33 points 2 years ago

True. I've created at least 4, myself.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 2 years ago (1 children)

People love vanity metrics, though.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 years ago

But the bot + duplicate account numbers keep going up and I really like exponential growth

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[–] OutrageousUmpire 89 points 2 years ago (11 children)

Good to see, but as with all posts like this, it’s important to note that the really important number is “Active Users” That number has gone up significantly as well, just not as fast as number of accounts.

[–] JeffCraig 37 points 2 years ago (14 children)

Yeah this is a good point.

It took me months to actually start using Lemmy and Mastodon. I would consider myself a tech savvy person and it still took a while getting used too. I think there need to be better tutorials linked on the sign-up pages that help people understand the basic concepts. That would help drive true user acquisition.

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[–] [email protected] 47 points 2 years ago (9 children)
[–] gnarly 69 points 2 years ago (2 children)

My spez comic got over 1.5mil views advertising Lemmy yesterday and at least #12 on r/all so I'm hopeful they're not all bots too :P

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[–] caephi 24 points 2 years ago (1 children)

i've only been on the platform for a few days but i've noticed a decent uptick in content and unique posts. probably still a lot of bots but with a decent surge of users and people getting a handle on the platform there's been a good bit of activity.

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[–] x4740N 43 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (4 children)

Daily active users is a much more reliable statistic due to bots


Source: https://lemmy.fediverse.observer/dailystats

[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Yup, came here to say that as well. it's al bots. The active users graph is much more realistic.

And I've been seeing some...odd looking.... comments recently from users at instances known for being mostly bots. Some of these comments really look AI generated, and have a suspicious number of upvotes.

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[–] aceshigh 40 points 2 years ago

wow! look at those bots go! go speed racer!

[–] MsPenguinette 38 points 2 years ago (8 children)

Just wait until Apollo/RIF/etc actually go dark!

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[–] [email protected] 37 points 2 years ago

There was a pretty big jump in active instances, too!

Active daily user count is about 50k.

[–] CodeMonkeyDance 37 points 2 years ago (3 children)

First post, post-Reddit 🥴

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[–] [email protected] 33 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (5 children)

It shows 50,000 active users per day compared to 2,500,000 total users per day. Most of the difference, presumably, is dormant bot accounts. If they were all activated and started posting one day, they could probably bring the network down.

I'm confused though by the active comments per day being about 100 times the active users per day. Surely users are not commenting 100 times per day on average. Is there something wrong with how the comments are being counted?

The posts count also looks a bit odd, since it means active users are making more than 10 posts a day on average. That seems implausibly high.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 2 years ago (2 children)

“average user posts 100 times per day" actualy just statistical error. average user posts 0 times per day. Feddi Georg, who lives in cave & posts over 10,000 each day, is an outlier adn should not have been counted

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

That and some of the active users are also bots. Lemmit.online is a good example; that community is set up to harvest content from Reddit via RSS and then Bots post it into the community. Other users (including bots) can then cross post it to other parts of the Threadiverse. "Lemmit.Online Bot" has made 20.1k posts in 7 days.

I wouldn't be surprised if there are also hyperactive comment bots out there too.

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 2 years ago

good to see but hope the bots can be purged at some point.

[–] clavismil 29 points 2 years ago (4 children)

Are these real people or bots? So far lemmy and the fediverse have been great experience I like it and won't go back to reddit. Hope it's real people and we can enjoy this new fresh start!

[–] newthrowaway20 33 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I'm a new person that joined within the last few days, so they're not all bots, that's for sure.

[–] RoyalEngineering 31 points 2 years ago (4 children)

That’s what a bot would say!!

[–] Limes 16 points 2 years ago (1 children)
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[–] Moops 13 points 2 years ago

I am too a human who enjoys conversing with other humanoids. I am new but let me say to you I am very flesh blood fellow person.

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[–] LDClaudius 26 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Man, so much has changed. Glad I made the switch to Lemmy.

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[–] d4rknusw1ld 25 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I’m enjoying it so much more with the app development. Devs trying to accomplish the goal of instilling the feeling of Apollo for us refugees coming. I just needed useful communities, with posts that people reply to with more and more information. Reddit still defeats lemmy there but I’m hoping it changes a bit.

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[–] LokyinN 22 points 2 years ago (2 children)
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[–] noodles 21 points 2 years ago (1 children)
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[–] Waitwuhtt 21 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] maess 14 points 2 years ago (3 children)
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[–] realbaconator 20 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Yeah I just found out about this project/the fediverse, been looking for several weeks for the best replacement to Reddit and this is by far the most promising. Also, as a self-hosting enthusiast, I'm liking this place more and more by the minute. With any luck increased visibility will continue to push activity & content. Power to the people.

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[–] Discoslugs 20 points 2 years ago (7 children)

Are any of these accounts bots?

Or maybe how many of these accounts are bots?

Are they all bots?

[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (29 children)

Around 95% accounts are bots. Around 90% if we are positive and assume that a lot of redditors joined since the bot farming started.

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[–] MakuNagetto 19 points 2 years ago

+1, just joined the party.

[–] xc2215x 18 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Very nice to see this for Lemmy.

[–] gnarly 13 points 2 years ago

Agreed, I know there's arguments about bots and such in this thread but this is all good news. If we have these problems, it means we're doing something right.

[–] TheOneWithTheHair 17 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Look at the graph and the uptick in activity. Note that on June 8, Reddit's u/iamthatis posted Apollo's intent to shut down.

https://www.reddit.com/r/apolloapp/comments/144f6xm/apollo_will_close_down_on_june_30th_reddits/

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[–] scarabic 14 points 2 years ago (4 children)

Huzzah!

And now that I’m in the beta for Limbo / Liftoff, I’m loving it. The web experience was not great for me on mobile.

Servers still seem slow though. Posting a comment is slow. Loading images is slow. But I’m not going to complain about that when this kind of explosive growth is happening. Keeping things up at all is impressive.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 years ago
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