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We believe that the key encapsulation mechanism we have selected, CRYSTALS-Kyber, is built on solid foundations, but to be safe we do not want to simply replace our existing elliptic curve cryptography foundations with a post-quantum public key cryptosystem. Instead, we are augmenting our existing cryptosystems such that an attacker must break both systems in order to compute the keys protecting people’s communications.

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Our new protocol is already supported in the latest versions of Signal’s client applications and is in use for chats initiated after both sides of the chat are using the latest Signal software. In the coming months (after sufficient time has passed for everyone using Signal to update), we will disable X3DH for new chats and require PQXDH for all new chats. In parallel, we will roll out software updates to upgrade existing chats to this new protocol.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago (4 children)

A nice and reasonable approach.

I just wonder why doubling up the cyphers is the way to go? Not confident in the post-quantum cipher yet?

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago

Yeah they explain it in the article.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago

There was a "quantum safe" encryption scheme proposed that had a non-quantum vulnerability found in it. Perhaps they are hedging against that occuring again? The scheme was rejected in the end so didnt matter to much.

https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2022/08/sike-once-a-post-quantum-encryption-contender-is-koed-in-nist-smackdown/

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

New ones are too young and not battle tested with time. Hybrid PQ is the norm until more data is available.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago

I never predict Signal will implement this QuanResist really fast pace than other messenger apps. Applause to the dev team!

[–] obinice 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

We believe that the key encapsulation mechanism we have selected, CRYSTALS-Kyber, is built on solid foundations, but to be safe we do not want to simply replace our existing elliptic curve cryptography foundations with a post-quantum public key cryptosystem.

Does this sound like VX Junkies to anybody else? I feel the need to check on my turbo encabulator 😅

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

A clearer explanation is available here

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Will signald be updated? Matrix wants to know.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

For anyone curious, I've opened an issue to confirm: https://gitlab.com/signald/signald/-/issues/377

[–] incompetentboob -4 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Do we still like signal? I remember reading something about why you should stop using signal but this seems contrary to that

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

For every thing on this world, there will be people disliking this thing and being very vocal about it.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

EFF still recommend Signal (and others) for people fitting various risk profiles: https://ssd.eff.org/