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[–] alienanimals 13 points 1 year ago

UBI should be implemented. Everyone will be lifted and the rich will only be slightly less richer.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I really like how many people were helped with this pilot project, and how it's really energized the conversation about how we help people and things like UBI.

I hate that it keeps being used as proof that people are wrong about homeless people though... The people in this study fit the technical definition of homeless sure, but not the colloquial one. In fact, those who fit the what many people think of when they think of homeless people where specifically disqualified from the study (likely because it wouldn't give such a nice result) which actually reinforces the public perception instead of challenging it. There's a huge difference between the "unhoused" and "homeless" (for lack of better differentiating the groups) and what these two groups need, and pretending like there's no difference isn't helping anyone.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Still, if it helps a portion of the people on the street get a roof over their heads, that ought to free up some of the existing resources to focus on the more challenging cases, shouldn't it?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

It's probably entirely different resources to be honest, with little overlap. Regardless, this program is great and should be expanded ASAP. I just don't like the spin being put on it is all.

[–] natarey 4 points 1 year ago

The way things are going, what's next will be to outlaw giving the homeless money.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

" Eligibility

Project participants were carefully screened for program eligibility to ensure the highest likelihood of success. Our goals in designing these criteria were to support participants to the highest degree possible, assess their readiness for change, and reduce any risk of harm.

Eligibility criteria included:

  • 19+ years of age

  • Newly homeless and living in a temporary shelter situation

  • Canadian citizen or permanent resident

  • Low risk of mental health challenges and substance abuse "

Sorry, but what absolutely bullshit study that was designed to be successful, not realistic.

The entire methodology is based on confirmation bias, sampling bias, and selection bias at the very least!

It doesn't surprise me that this study does not appear to be peer reviewed. What a disingenuous organization using junk science to get funding. πŸ‘Ž

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Both groups were drawn from the same set. What bias are you talking about?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

For starters, neither groups is representative of the homeless demographic.

And when you take a group of people who have the best chance of success through your selection and sample biases, you are engineering a positive result.

Well designed studies don't work that way.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

It's showing a marginal positive result. It doesn't need to target the entire homeless demographic if this income isn't provided to the entire homeless demographic.

Social security comes with screening. That's not new.