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The return to more traditional ways of learning is a response to politicians and experts questioning whether Sweden’s hyper-digitalised approach to education, including the introduction of tablets in nursery schools, had led to a decline in basic skills.

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[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Not all experts are convinced Sweden’s back-to-basics push is exclusively about what’s best for students.

Criticising the effects of technology is “a popular move with conservative politicians”, Neil Selwyn, a professor of education at Monash University in Melbourne, Australia, said. “It’s a neat way of saying or signalling a commitment to traditional values.

“The Swedish government does have a valid point when saying that there is no evidence for technology improving learning, but I think that’s because there is no straightforward evidence of what works with technology,” Selwyn said. “Technology is just one part of a really complex network of factors in education.”

That seems very likely, especially considering how little control for other variables there seems to be. Obviously digital random materials from the internet can be worse than purpose made books but that is not about analog vs. digital.

[–] Son_of_dad 32 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I've always had issues with my hands, bad ligaments since I was a kid. Not a single teacher or adult ever believed me that my hands hurt just from writing a paragraph with pen and paper. It was a bitch and made learning and school an unpleasant experience. I hate that schools think every single child fits into one cariculum , and if you don't fit they blame you for being lazy and they get to pat themselves on the back for "trying" while they let you fall through the cracks

[–] bfg9k 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

To be fair, try organising a specialised curriculum for 1000+ students and you will find why they are standardised lol

[–] WhoRoger 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

That's why different classes exist

[–] Son_of_dad 2 points 1 year ago

I never heard of alternative learning or special accommodations until I was out of school, pretty much every adult in the school system ignored my issues and let me fall through the cracks. It got to the point where my grades were shit cause I hated writing out all my homework and essays and just didn't do them.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

No, we need inclusive classes imo, not seaparation.

[–] WhoRoger 3 points 1 year ago

What I mean is that kids with different interests or strengths may choose to work differently or concentrate on different things. Just like adults. Inclusivity doesn't mean that everyone has to do the exact same thing the exact same way.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago

@Son_of_dad

Your issue goes far deeper than what the article describes imho, and it appears to be a very special situation. There should certainly be more individualized education programs, possibly more teachers in class rooms, etc. The article doesn't reject that. I would agree with it's meaning (as I understand it), though, that over-reliance on and/or ubiquitous digital devices constitute an obstacle to children's personal developments, their cognitive skills, and learning. But, of course, in special cases it may be helpful.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

Your issues obviously lie deeper than schools demanding you to write with a pen. It should have been on your parents to spot and rectify the issues with your ligaments. What could the system have done to accommodate you?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

And your parents didn't take you to the doctor? Aren't you covered under their insurance (assuming you went to school in Sweden)?

[–] Son_of_dad 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Nobody ever really believed how bad it was. Not till I was an adult did I realize it wasn't normal. I still haven't gone to the doctor about it, since it's no an issue and I don't write often, but my hands still hurt if I play video games for too long for example

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

Don't you think maybe you should?

The solution to arthritis isn't to not use your hands. The solution is to start getting it treated as soon as possible.

Cmon... you say you're an adult. Start taking responsibility for your own health.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm not saying digitalisation of schools are good or bad, but the privatisation of schools and extremely low quality of teachers education is responsible for these bad results.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

In the article there is nothing about that. Could you elaborate?

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I work for a school in Sweden. The school receives a lump sum of tax money for each student they admit each year. This causes the school to admit way more students than they can handle. The teachers are instructed to give students high grades and many just play along with this (one school even told the teachers their salary would be dependent on their students grades). Instead of spending this money on education or the school, most go to the owners who buy houses, cars, boats and more schools. The furniture comes from other private schools that were forced to close when the owners ran them into the ground. When this school is eventually also forced to close, the owners will move on to their next victim. That is only a matter of time.

Interestingly many owners of these "free schools" are current or former politicians involved in privatising the system. The same parties responsible are currently in power (only this time they are backed by the Swedish nazi party).

Using digital teaching tools (or doing anything on a computer) is not part of the teachers education and they receive no training in them. Very few of them can even create a PowerPoint on their own. Most just use downloaded material or YouTube to show in the classroom.

The damage done to our schools 30 years ago is beginning to show in workplaces and society more and more every year.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I am 100% convinced that all the money in the world doesn’t matter when teachers don’t give a fuck and when students’ behaviour is beyond reproach. Took my kids out of a public school that was boasting about their certificates and digitalisation etc. and sent them to a private school (no, it wasn’t expensive and certainly more efficient than the bloated corpse of public administration) that made do with minuscule amounts of money, just offered old school care and attention.

Good on Swedish kids.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago (2 children)

This is from 2018, but still up-to-date content you may be interested in, Did Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, and Other Tech Billionaire Parents Advocate Limiting Children's Technology Use?

The most sought-after private school in Silicon Valley, the Waldorf School of the Peninsula, bans technical devices for the under-11s and teaches the children of eBay, Apple, Uber and Google staff to make go-karts, knit and cook. Facebook’s Mark Zuckerberg wants his daughters to read Dr Seuss books and play outside rather than use Messenger Kids. Steve Jobs’s children had strict limits on how much technology they used at home.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

TL;DR: long before all the studies and statistical analyses became vogue, our “captains of industry” were skeptical enough of the ubiquitous technology that their companies make, sell, enable, or otherwise profit from that they took steps to protect their own children from it.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

That is, in fact, really interesting. Thank you.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


The return to more traditional ways of learning is a response to politicians and experts questioning whether Sweden’s hyper-digitalised approach to education, including the introduction of tablets in nursery schools, had led to a decline in basic skills.

Sweden’s minister for schools, Lotta Edholm, who took office 11 months ago as part of a centre-right coalition government, was one of the biggest critics of the all-out embrace of technology.

Some learning deficits may have resulted from the coronavirus pandemic or reflect a growing number of immigrant students who don’t speak Swedish as their first language, but an overuse of screens during school lessons may cause youngsters to fall behind in core subjects, education experts say.

“There’s clear scientific evidence that digital tools impair rather than enhance student learning,” Sweden’s Karolinska Institute, a highly respected medical school focused on research, said in a statement in August on the country’s national digitalisation strategy in education.

Poland, for instance, just launched a programme to give a government-funded laptop to each student starting in fourth grade in the hope of making the country more technologically competitive.

To counter Sweden’s decline in fourth grade reading performance, the Swedish government announced an investment worth kr685m (£50m) in book purchases for schools this year.


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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

I think the best thing for me was not having a tablet in school. Mine was the last generation in our district not to get iPads to use in schools. One big reason I got into IT was with old school computers with barely any safety measures which made it fun to find ways around. I had no idea what I was doing, but trying to get minecraft running on it helped me discover things like VMs and dual booting which sparked my interest in computers. With these school managed iPads there is nothing to break or to mess around with. For others with no computer at home that can be experimented with, I could see it being hard to find out about such things.