Not the first time I see it on Lemmy but I’m really glad it’s getting traction. I expect a lot from the DMA
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I hope it spreads and influences other countries. Despite what people think about EU's regulations, I do think they care more for their citizens than many governments.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
The package of laws will also pave the way for more competition in some of the areas most guarded by the tech firms, including Apple Wallet and Google Pay.
The Digital Markets Act (DMA) is the second big package of EU laws to hit tech firms in two months and defines a series of obligations that gatekeepers need to comply with, including not participating in anti-competitive practices.
The DMA aims to undo the gatekeeper or controlling position that large tech companies have commanded in the last 10 years and gives the European Commission the power to conduct market investigations and design remedies if the firms fall out of line.
Brussels intends the laws to open the door to more competition, allowing startups to compete with the giants on a level playing field for the first time.
The tech companies – including Apple, Google and Amazon – have six months to comply with a full list of dos and don’ts under the new laws, after which they could be fined up to 10% of their turnover.
The laws will initially apply to six companies: Alphabet (which owns Google), Amazon, Apple, ByteDance (the owner of TikTok), Meta (Facebook, Instagram and WhatsApp) and Microsoft.
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Side loading AND USBC on the iPhone? Almost makes it a good phone
I mean what's left compared to the average android phone?
Great! Does that mean that we will be able to message people via WhatsApp without needing to have it installed? (Via some kind of api)
Yes, that's the goal, there was a great blog post from one of the KDE guys about a meeting people from the Neochat, Matrix and XMPP projects where invited to to explain the benefits of interoperability between chat apps and that part actually made it into the law now!
Shit, sometimes I just love EU.
With a focus on "sometimes" but yea, it's certainly better than most in many cases!
Yeah their headlines are always great or terrible. “EU requires iPhones to use usb c” “eu is trying to ban encryption” “eu requires devices to have repairable batteries”
I think this is a possibility.
Big tech companies will be barred from monetising information about phone users, prohibiting them from using the data they collect from apps on a phone to build up a detailed picture of individual consumer behaviours for advertisers.
What! Does the DMA actually say that? It sounds too good to be true, so I’m disinclined to believe it.
It actually does seem to say that:
Gatekeepers often directly collect personal data of end users for the purpose of providing online advertising services when end users use third-party websites and software applications. Third parties also provide gatekeepers with personal data of their end users in order to make use of certain services provided by the gatekeepers in the context of their core platform services, such as custom audiences. The processing, for the purpose of providing online advertising services, of personal data from third parties using core platform services gives gatekeepers potential advantages in terms of accumulation of data, thereby raising barriers to entry. [...]
To ensure that gatekeepers do not unfairly undermine the contestability of core platform services, gatekeepers should enable end users to freely choose to opt-in to such data processing and sign-in practices by offering a less personalised but equivalent alternative, and without making the use of the core platform service or certain functionalities thereof conditional upon the end user’s consent.
Wow! Does the word "should" in legal terms carry a different meaning to regular terms? Like, I should go to bed early so I can get up early, but I don't have to.
gatekeepers should enable end users to freely choose to opt-in to such data processing
Here in Sweden I know a lot of official government verbiage makes it sound more like suggestions, and in general one uses fairly soft language, so you know things are serious when official paperwork says things like "are to" or "will." I'm just unsure if the same applies in English.
Not a lawyer so no idea. I just pointed out that the legislation does contain language similar to what Guardian claimed. This will be implemented by individual countries, Big Tech will break those rules, someone will sue them and after years of fighting in courts we'll get some final decisions about this.
We need that in the US for every company...
My wife bought a new car last year and started getting calls and letters about extended warranties and dealers wanting to buy it the same week. I went to urgent care 2 weeks ago with a sinus infection and started getting healthcare emails while I was waiting in the office!
Holy shit. That’s terrifying.
If it is could I buy an EU market phone to use in the US? Once this goes into effect?
I don't know why someone downvoted you because it's a fair question. Though I'm unsure anyone has the answer to that right now.
Everyone assuming they know the answer or that the answer is obvious. It's entirely possible phone manufacturers do some region lock bullshit or something so the phones only work in the EU. I know that brings up other issues with international travel and such but I'm spitballing here.
Big tech companies will be barred from monetising information about phone users, prohibiting them from using the data they collect from apps on a phone to build up a detailed picture of individual consumer behaviours for advertisers.
Does anyone know if this also applies to banks that monetize from your purchase and transaction history and sell your profile to advertisers?
Or do banks have the EU by the balls in a way that tech companies don't?
So much confusion about this... But I understand, it is confusing.
GDPR was about privacy and does apply to banks. Banks can't gather or process personal data without consent: https://americandeposits.com/gdpr-affect-bank/
This new regulation is specifically about Big Tech. It regulates companies that control significant parts of market and block smaller companies from entering it. This has nothing to do with banks.
The tech companies – including Apple, Google and Amazon – have six months to comply with a full list of dos and don’ts under the new laws, after which they could be fined up to 10% of their turnover. In Meta’s case, this would be 10% of $120bn (£95bn).
6 months from what day?
From yesterday I believe.
Just theoretical, maybe one of the gatekeepers do their calc and decide: okay we are out of Europe because our greedy business model doesn't work without a gate.
Europe would be better for it, right? And a competitor can release a product that does follow regulations
Yeah we already see this with alternatives to security tools like cloudflare and akamai. EU companies don't trust US companies due to NSL laws in the US, so there's alternatives inthre EU.