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YSK that 1M users on lemmy from the-federation.info is bullshit (jemmy.jeena.net)
submitted 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) by [email protected] to c/youshouldknow
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https://the-federation.info/platform/73 says for lemmy we have: 1,073,211 Users

It also says that: Last month users: 38897

Which is 2 orders of magnitude of a difference. If you look at the list of instances there ones like https://the-federation.info/node/details/48405 which have 50k users and 10 active last month users.

That means almost all of the 1 milion users are fake users.

I'm seeing people celebrating every 100k users every couple of hours without realizing this.

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[–] dystop 46 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

It's not bullshit, it's because of two reasons:

First, "Active last month" refers to users who have posted a comment in the last month. Every site like this has a large number of lurkers. A good rule of thumb is 10% of subscribers/users actually post/comment/participate. So 350-400k "legitimate" users sounds like the right ballpark.

Second, the numbers are so high because there has been a known bot attack. A few instances didn't have email verification/captchas enabled so it was very easy to sign up for accounts very quickly. Some instances went from 500-800 users, to 10,000 users overnight.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's also probably inflated due to people making multiple accounts. I'm sure there's lots of us (myself included) who made an account on one instance and then decided to swap to a different one.

[–] dystop 11 points 1 year ago

That's true. I first tried to create an account at beehaw but forgot about my application so I ended up on lemmy.world because it had open signups, so there's at least 1 "useless" user account there.

Seeing how beehaw shut themselves off, things kinda worked out for me lol.

[–] joneskind -4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It’s not bullshit

Yes it is

lemmygrad.ml has 606 active users and 231752 comments

https://the-federation.info/platform/73

Go on this page, sort by total users and compare to active users.

This is horrible

[–] dystop 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Go on this page, sort by total users and compare to active users.

Yes, I've been using this site for tracking too.

lemmygrad.ml has 606 active users and 231752 comments

I'm not sure I understand your point? If you're saying that the active user : comment ratio for all other instances is off, then I think you got it the wrong way round. lemmygrad was one of the first instances to be developed, way before the reddit exodus, so their number of active users has dropped even as their comment count slowly grew over time.

[–] AnarchistArtificer 2 points 1 year ago

And part of what led to lemmygrad in the first place was subs like /r/Genzedong being banned. I think the kinds of people who seek a new location after their sub is banned are much more likely to be in the 10% group who comment and create content. Besides that, the political nature of lemmygrad (and the fact that all those users are likely on the same page about a lot of things) leads to a much more engaged userbase.

In short: lemmygrad is in no way a representative example/sample

[–] joneskind -2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

600 active users a month making 230000 comments a month? Those are pretty active indeed

Most of instances having 40K users but less than 100 actives?

Compare the data of Lemmy.world with others. There is a common trend of ratio between users/active/posts and comments among them, and then there are those huge instances by users but zero activity?

I’m sorry but there’s either a huge problem in the way users numbers are aggregated, or those users are just fake.

[–] dystop 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yes, lemmygrad really is that active. Try going to the instance to poke around and you'll see. 600 active means 600 people have posted in the last month - like I said, lemmygrad has been around for much, much longer, so there are users who posted and then fell off, so their posts are part of the 230k comments but they don't make up part of the 600 users.

Also, I don't think you read my comment properly. What I said was that the numbers are not made up, but there are bot attacks on unsecured instances. Read my previous post again please.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

do comments count if they are on your instance coming from another instance?

[–] joneskind 1 points 1 year ago

That's a really good question to which I don't have an answer.

But even if it was the case, there shouldn't be that much disparities between instances.

[–] quinten 17 points 1 year ago

We should not focus on the numbers the entire day. Lets just have a good time here...

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago

It's so annoying that people are already trying to create fake users. Doing so on a federated network is straight up malicious :/

[–] _MoveSwiftly 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Could you please add a "Why YSK:"? It's rule #2. :)

[–] cashews_win 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I like your avatar. I was such a huge Sonic fan since the original Sonic on Sega Master System that I spiked my hair from about 8yo to 18yo when I switched to wearing big 2in spiked hair when out clubbing.

Unfortunately middle age happened and my hair migrated from my head to my back which isn't as good for spiking. :(

[–] HappycamperNZ 4 points 1 year ago

Why not, spike it and you can be a dinosaur

[–] _MoveSwiftly 1 points 1 year ago

It was amazing on the Sega, and it's still a great game honestly.

My hair line is receeding so I hear ya.

[–] MegaUltraChicken 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

But why should we know this?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Just so we don't go out to the world and proclaim a million users while in reality it's 2 magnitudes less. It just makes us look like we don't check our sources.

[–] MegaUltraChicken 4 points 1 year ago

I was kinda being a smartass since I knew they'd ask you to add it. Totally agree with you.

[–] joneskind 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

https://the-federation.info/platform/73

I just checked the numbers. At least 900 000 users are fake. Lots of comments are shady too...

That's terrible. Fuck it

[–] jrs100000 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

At least in the mid 850,000 range. And that only counting whole servers obviously dominated by parked accounts.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

quality over quantity though?