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Now, the words and figures "with the exception of articles 2-c, 4-c, 5-c, 12-c, 13-c, 14-c, 17-c, 21-c and 22-c" have been removed from the Regulation, i.e. everyone will be recognised as fit under the "controversial" articles:

  • 2-c – clinically treated tuberculosis;
  • 4-c – viral hepatitis with minor functional impairment;
  • 5-c – asymptomatic HIV carrier;
  • 12-c - slowly progressive and non-progressive with minor functional impairment and rare exacerbations of anaemia, blood clotting disorders, purpura, haemorrhagic conditions, other diseases of the blood and haematopoietic organs, and some disorders involving the immune mechanism;
  • 13-c - diseases of the endocrine system with minor functional disorders;
  • 14-c - mild, short-term, painful manifestations of mental disorders;
  • 17-c - neurotic, stress-related and somatoform disorders with moderate or short-term manifestations, with an asthenic state;
  • 21-c – slowly progressive diseases of the central nervous system with minor functional disorders;
  • 22-c – episodic and paroxysmal disorders, except for epilepsy, with minor impairment of organ and system functions.
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[–] [email protected] 92 points 1 year ago (3 children)

It doesn't feel like a great idea to conscript those with mental health issues heavily impacted by stress.

[–] [email protected] 63 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Could always be used in administrative roles

[–] [email protected] 46 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

True. I always read conscription and think "sent to the frontlines", but there's a lot of logistics and support that goes into an army.

[–] Fondots 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

My dad got drafted during Vietnam, and landed himself a position doing some supply/logistics stuff and basically spent his whole time chilling in Kentucky doing warehouse and office stuff. Admittedly he also did his damnedest on every aptitude test, evaluation, etc. they gave him to make himself out to be a coward and play up any non-combat skills he had specifically trying to end up doing something like that.

There's of course a lot of differences between 'Nam and Ukraine, but at the end of the day every army throughout history has relied on a whole bunch of people who weren't on the front lines to make things work. You need a whole lot of mechanics, warehouse workers, pencil pushers, IT staff, cooks, medical staff, truck drivers, etc. and if you're able to use people who wouldn't be able to hack it physically/mentally/emotionally on the front lines to fill those roles, it's kind of a no-brainer so that soldiers who are able to do it aren't tied up behind the scenes when they're needed.

Of course it absolutely sucks for anyone who gets conscripted.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Somewhat similar to what happened to my grandpa. Technically wasn't drafted, he had buddy in the draft office gave him a heads up that'd it'd be a very good idea for him to enlist soon. He ended up as a supply officer in Okinawa and got to take my grandma with him. Good thing too (and largely why it happened), the man's eyesight is/was awful. He would've almost certainly been a dead man had he ever lost his glasses in combat

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's a terrible idea and it tells me that all the propaganda were getting about Ukraine clearly winning and barely losing anyone is bullshit. They must be real desperate if they're conscription people with mental disorders.

[–] nexusband 45 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Look at the list and stop talking out your ass. Wars are won due to logistics, lots of paperwork and so on. Granted, the situation could be better, but let's not pretend Ukraine has its back against a wall.

They are still kicking Russia like nothing before.

Also, they are not just accepting any mental disorder, there are many disorders that may prevent someone to be in the front, but they don't prevent one to carry supplies from A-B in the back country. Wars are not just won through fights on the front.

[–] Pattern 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If they could read they’d be super shocked by who the Russians are conscripting.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Who are the Russians conscripting?

[–] Pattern 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Both Wagner and the regular military have been conscripting criminals straight out of prison and sending them right into the meat grinder with little training and/or equipment.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] Pattern 1 points 1 year ago

No. Not as a deliberate tactic and not nearly to the same extent.

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[–] [email protected] 63 points 1 year ago (44 children)

All these comments "wow they'll take anyone, they must be desperate."

meanwhile Russia has been desperate for manpower this entire time and barely has enough morale to have people fight. Lmfao

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[–] ikidd 51 points 1 year ago (2 children)

In other news, Ukraine has not held the passports of migrant workers and impressed them into the armed forces, unlike a certain other country.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Technically correct - they only initially refused to allow foreign students to leave the country, and beat up anyone who tried to cross the border.

Source:

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Thanks for you 'proof':

"The Ukrainian government has launched an emergency hotline for Africans and Asians fleeing, according to the foreign minister. In a tweet, Dmytro Kuleba said the authorities were "working intensively" to ensure the safety and passage of African and Asian students."

I don't think Putin will pay you for this one...

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

Background: On 30 August, President Volodymyr Zelenskyy reported that at a meeting of the National Security and Defence Council of Ukraine, it had been decided that a comprehensive inspection be conducted of the validity of decisions made by military medical commissions since 24 February 2022. These are decisions on disability and unfitness for service that were or may be related to corruption violations. All cases where the decisions were unreasonable and illegal should be investigated by law enforcement agencies, the president said. In addition, Zelenskyy announced that the system of determining fitness for military service must be reassessed to make it easier for commanders to recruit soldiers for combat missions and to prevent the concept of limited fitness from being manipulated.

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