If you're against AI taking your white-collar job, then you should also be against robots taking blue-collar jobs.
Luddites all around.
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You absolutely misunderstand Luddites. Luddites weren't anti-technology. They were anti-worker mistreatment, which happened to coincide with the Industrial Revolution. So yes, we're Luddites. We don't want technology to cost people their jobs or make them worse.
We don’t want technology to cost people their jobs or make them worse.
So, you think automation shouldn't replace blue collar workers? You're anti-factory?
Sure, as soon as there's a universal basic income, let all the automation out there replace blue collar workers.
What other option would you suggest?
Also, "anti-factory" is one of the silliest epithets I've ever heard in my life.
Sure, as soon as there’s a universal basic income, let all the automation out there replace blue collar workers.
So, you'd be cool with AI replacing white-collar workers if there is UBI? And let's just be clear, right now, you are anti-factories. Please admit it.
Also, “anti-factory” is one of the silliest epithets I’ve ever heard in my life.
Lol, you know what I mean and I'm not trying to impress you. Let's be honest, you don't like what's being said so you're trying to belittle it. Nobody is fooled but yourself.
No, I have no idea what you mean by "anti-factory" other than "person who hates factories," which is just silly. Am I also "anti-chair" or "anti-banana?"
Lol, okay. You don't know what I mean. Or you do and you're just doubling-down on playing dumb.
Either way, sorry for your ineptitude. Goodbye.
Ok, I genuinely don't know what you mean. Weird that you think everyone is supposed to automatically understand you and anyone who doesn't is inept. Are you so clear in your language that no one can ever misunderstand you unless they're an imbecile?
It is futile and the fact any energy is being put into this is the real crime. We all just have to accept and adapt.
let’s see them argue this for copying and further altering other people’s styles manually.
you know, what we call “art”.
you telling me all those people that thought “oh wow that artist’s method of using long curving lines is awesome, im going to try that too.” are somehow different than the act of visually scraping everything and then telling ai to create X in the styles of Y and Z?
sorry, but no.
if it is someone copying someone’s exact style and the acting as though the artist made it, that’s where it’s crossing a line. personally i think doing a carbon copy of a persons work is grounds for legal complaint.
but this shit? no.
I think I agree for the most part. Out of interest, do you think artists should be allowed to legally prohibit future iterations of AI art from using their original works for training?
depends. if they do that, no lie, they invite the streisand effect by doing so.
the only way for that to occur is for the person to scrub the internet of all references to their art work and make sure any public or private viewings happen in person with no capture devices of any kind allowed. then you have a chance at accomplishing not having your art be absorbed.
the reality is, if it exists on the net, it will be absorbed by others out there. sometimes just out of sheer spite. if it weren’t so easy to shit out a home brew ai stable diffusion model or lora in hours, then sure, there might be a way of legally pursuing. fortunately art is now going to become so democratized that there will be a myriad of new artists to copy from.
but at this point that’s like trying to shut down pepe the frog as a meme. just ain’t gonna happen. pepe’s been let out of the box.
i think the artists are scared that with ai in the mix, they’re going to be replaced. but that’s not true the same as painters weren’t replaced by photoshop and digital painters. they could actually embrace the change and lean into it, but unfortunately people tend to be like lemmings in their own echo chambers and the artist echo chamber said “THIS IS BAD! THIS IS STEALING!” never once thinking about all the methods they’ve stolen from others along the way. oh sorry, we will call it “influenced”. my bad.
but yeah, if they lean into it, great things can occur. a friend of mine has literally trained a private home brew model of her own artwork and then added in shit tons of fantasy concepts into the mix. as a result, a shit ton of her heavy lifting for illustration in graphic novels is already done. artists could be using it for inspiration or for reference.
honestly i can’t wait for the artist echo chamber to just calm tf down