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What is the purpose of voting up or down on? I'm not clear what voting is suposed to achieve?

I never vote up or down on here in the same manner that I never click Like on any social media sites either, I don't see what the intent behind it is.

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[–] [email protected] 45 points 1 year ago (1 children)

When things work correctly, it matters. Right now lemmy's sorting system is bugged, so just using "new" is the best way to find content.

But, when it works, the upvotes and downvotes determine how much visibility a post is given. It's basically a way for us users to tell the site what content is good, and what content is bad. If you see a thread with interesting discussion, or that links a fun video, or features a pretty art piece, upvoting will help more people find it.

If you see someone link to misinformation, or push a conspiracy theory, you can downvote to the tell the system that it is bad content, and it will show it to less people going forward.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago

A lot of interesting perceptions on the upvote system here.

It's another form of user moderation. Is the content relevant to the community you're in? Upvote it. Did it help you? Was it a thought-provoking comment chain? Upvote it, it might help others!

Is is irrelevant, such as a dog photo in a cat community for example? Downvote it! Rude comment or flamewar? Downvote it! If you still want to see it, now it's easily sorted at the bottom. :)

A lot of areas of this site, such as the comment section here, can be organized by these votes for your convenience and sanity. You can also identify potentially malicious links/suggestions based off the like/dislike ratio on a comment. A helpful tip is to hover over the number beside a comments time-stamp near the top of a comment. It'll display the full ratio!

[–] lysistrata 16 points 1 year ago

Upvoting a post releases the Good Chemicals in the brain. You do this when you would like the person who made this contribution to do more of that.

Downvoting, in turn, produces the Bad CHemicals. The downvote button was famously invented to replace the previous disincentivizing mehchanism, Hammers.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The idea is to gauge community interest/relevance and facilitate content discovery. I feel it is becoming a bit dated method of accomplishing this and easily gamed.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah, there's a sweet spot where it works, but once you get a large usercount, it becomes a bit snowbally. Get a few early upvotes, and you're off! Don't get those upvotes early? It's gone, drowned away in the flood, even if the post was good. There's an element of luck that I'm not sure can, or should be, elminated.

What the modern big sites do with algo's that read your interests, has a more cons, still. As far as a lesser of two evils, I like the vote system as a content curation system the best.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Definitely the easiest to implement, and huge concerns with black boxes making recommendations. But I think we are going to see some serious problems with it here given how accepting most instances are to federating anyone combined with the lack of tools to differentiate legit users and a bot brigade.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

We'll have to wait and see. The recent userspike rom servers that have no captcha/email requirement is certainly suspicious. But thats an external issue, not a problem with the idea of the vote system itself. Hopefully one that's solvable if it ever turns out to be an issue.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Dated, but has anyone come up with a better way? Outside of having another human carefully curate your shit, or some kind of Zuckerbot doing it, you need some way to filter out bullshit or any community will be overwhelmed with spam and trolls

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

You're right, there is only up/down vote systems with a user base that is in no way verified or otherwise restricted to a single vote/real person, or corporate algos.

There are plenty of different models. Do I fault the Lemmy devs for using it? No. Is it ideal for content discovery? Not really.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

No need for sarcasm -- I was ASKING if there were other ways outside of up/downvotes, AI moderation, manual/human curation, or no moderation. Hence question mark.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

You're right. Apologies.

There are many other models, some discussed in this post. All come with their own set of upsides and downsides.

For a small community, which Lemmy original was, straight up votes work great. Unfortunately it doesn't scale. Reddit is a perfect example.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago

I always found digg's naming here to make the most sense. Is this something you "dig" and want to "dig up" or do you want to "bury"? Up/down, dig bury, the general principle is that burying bad content and raising up good content means everyone ultimately gets to see the best-of-the-best.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I replied to a comment on this thread before - but I think it is good to reply to the OP as well

Lemmy uses a logarithmic vote and time based ranking algo for Active and hot - those sorts, when there's no issues are fuelled by the age of the posts, and also the score of the posts.

The first 10 votes are more powerful than the next 100, but this power is tempered by how quickly it takes to get those votes - a post that gets 1000 votes in an hour will be ranked higher than a post that gets 10000 votes in 10 hours.

You can see the full description of how the algo is supposed to work here: https://join-lemmy.org/docs/en/contributors/07-ranking-algo.html

As you can see, I highly recommended voting on posts regularly - even if it appears to do nothing, if the algo isn't glitched, older posts need a lot more votes than newer posts to reach the top of active and hot, and the faster a new post can get votes the more likely it is to reach the top. And If you want something new to get on the hot and new boards, even one upvote is all it needs to exponentially increase its ranking.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I may be in the minority here, but it doesn't feel right to me to upvote my own stuff. The vote counters should reflect how others perceive my contributions. It's a given that I agree with my own posts, so that shouldn't be counted.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Honestly, you might be more likely in the majority, Reddit automatically did it, so people didn't feel guilty for removing said upvote.

But that's among one of the only platforms where boosting your own post is considered fine.

Im not surprised if people compare it with the Facebook equivalent of liking your own post - the only difference is that Lemmy doesn't tell you where the upvotes come from, which might entice more people to do it as they cannot be judged for it like you can on Facebook.

[–] jake_eric 1 points 1 year ago

It felt weird to upvote my own stuff at first too, but now it's so natural for me that posts/comments to start at 1 instead of zero.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

The intent is to rank whether something is a useful/meaningful/worthwhile contribution or not.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

Voting creates a signal about the quality of a post so other users can rank posts based on the collective perspective. You don't vote for yourself, you vote to help other users.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

i can't believe you've asked this! user voting is everything! without it there's no way to meaningfully rank the content. i prefer to browser top-day posts because i only want to see what the majority of people have decided is worth seeing. surely you can imagine that browsing a randomly sorted list would be full of boring and uninteresting posts!

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

I believe it's meant to make it easier to find the best posts. Anyone can post anything. The best things get upvoted. You can sort by votes to see the most popular posts first, or you can just look at a post's score to quickly see whether it's popular or not.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

Upvoting and downvoting allow users to express their opinions about specific posts, indicating whether they find them valuable or not. The more upvotes a post receives, the higher it will be ranked in search results within that community, making it easier for other people to discover it as well. This creates a sort of social proof whereby many individuals have deemed the content worthy enough to vote positively on it, suggesting its value and encouraging others to read or engage with it too.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

I found this on Wikipedia:

Using a system of upvotes and downvotes users can influence what content appears at the top of the main feeds and of each community.

So if you find a post interesting, you can upvote it. And if someone posts cat pictures in asklemmy, you can downvote it, because it's off-topic and maybe you want to discourage such behaviour.

I'm not sure if Lemmy has upvote counters for users, but either way if you upvote a post or comment you say that it's useful/interesting, and it's a bit like a "thank you" in real life.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

One way that I have used up/down votes, particularly on comments, is to surface the most valuable information. For example, if a post has valuable content, that is patently useful but it isn't the top comment I will down-vote the top comment(s) and upvote the valuable one.

For example, if someone posts a question and the top 3 comments are low-effort jokes, and the fourth comment is the answer, I would down-vote the top three and upvote the 4th. In an effort to surface the best information.

Now, I try not to do this unless I'm certain of post 4s quality. And usually not unless there are enough votes that a joke-commenters would feel personally picked on, or like their joke wasn't good.

Other examples of good comments (by my reckoning) are: transcriptions, useful links or context, proof, other examples of the same thing. Or somewhat verifiable reasons why the post is unhelpful or misleading.

The crowd isn't always right. But it can provide useful context and I try to be a part of that.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What is the purpose of voting up or down on? I’m not clear what voting is suposed to achieve?

I suspect content voting systems were a way to attenuate the proliferation of "me too", "this^" or similar posts on forums.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I think the primary purpose of likes / dislikes, upvotes / downvotes has always been to generate information that an algorithm can use to sort content, making it easier for the user to sift through millions of articles to find stuff that's "higher quality" or "more relevant" to them.

It's the same idea behind aggregating TV or movie reviews from thousands of people. It allows you to go to sites like Metacritic / Opencritic / Rotten Tomatoes and sort by average rating to find TVs / movies that are more likely to be worth watching.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I upvote posts that are interesting usually. A higher score means more people may see it.

I usually upvote most people that reply to my comments even if I don't agree with them. It's my way of showing appreciation for the time they took to engage with me.

I don't like to down vote. In my opinion it shouldn't be used as a disagreement button. More for people who are needlessly rude.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

I don't like to down vote. In my opinion it shouldn't be used as a disagreement button. More for people who are needlessly rude.

I generally reserve downvotes for problematic things, including but not limited to someone really pissing me off. >.>

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Its a way to prioritize which posts you are going to read. if there are only 10 posts you can read all of them, if there are 1000 maybe not, depends on how much time you have, but when people can vote on which posts they find interesting there is a good chance you will find the most voted interesting as well.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

For emphasis, they're something done for the collective community for the most part. By the time you are considering voting, you've already read the post. Voting is largely so later viewers can see just the best content. In this sense, it's like a social contract.

People who browse new posts get to shape the community. Their votes are most influential. But they also don't get to see as much quality content.

In some rare cases, you will actually come back to the thread, in which case voting just helps ensure that it's more likely there'll be more discussion when you check back.

And finally, it can just feel good to vote for stuff you like (it's like giving a very tiny reward). Inversely, downvoting is a low effort way to communicate to a poster that their post was bad and show others in the community that their post is not acceptable. That's very important for bigoted posts. Downvoting those posts makes it very clear to everyone that bigotry isn't accepted here.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It's a convenient way to get people to not write angry rants when they can instead just hit the downvote button and move on with their lives feeling like they've shown the person they're angry with what-for.

Edit: The downvote button has now saved /c/asklemmy from four angry rants about how wrong I am. Good job, downvote button! :)

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

For me, the main part of receiving upvotes is the "knowing" that someone agreed with or appreciated my comment. Encourages me to continue commenting. Like the opposite of being ignored during group conversations.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

It's a signal boost. You want more people to see it, so you help it rise to the top.

Maybe it's also a high-five. A positive emotional reaction to something you like.

[–] WhoRoger 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Everyone has their own idea what they should be for. In general it's for liking and disliking, or agreeing and disagreeing.

I also didn't use to up/downvote much at all on Reddit (never used other socials), but here I upvote especially when someone responds to me or post to my communities, and downvote if something annoys me.

I'm not particularly bothered if I get downvoted, it can happen for a multitude of reasons both valid and insane, but I'm enough of a narcissist to enjoy when a lot of people like my stuff.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

I've always liked Saidit's "two upvotes" system. It's so simple and creative, encouraging discussion rather than the mindless brigading that becomes so common with the vote wars for visibility.

[–] derf82 2 points 1 year ago

It was the best, most innovative thing about reddit. It let the readers choose what they see, rather than purely newest/oldest first, or curated by some admin.

I came to Reddit from Fark.com. There, you were limited to the headlines the admins chose, and everything was purely chronological. New headlines were on top, and oldest comments were first. Often, great comments were buried. Going back since the reddit fiasco, even there they added the ability to sort by β€œsmartest” and β€œfunniest” as voted by paid members

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