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[–] robbotlove 99 points 2 years ago (1 children)

when Russia becomes the third world nation in a proxy war.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 2 years ago (21 children)

Russia has been a third world nation since the collapse of the Soviet Union. Politicians just like to use the Russian boogeyman to scare people who remember the Cold War. Putin may be a monster, but China is the real threat.

[–] LostMyRedditLogin 29 points 2 years ago (4 children)

Russia literally invaded two countries and stole their land and people. Your post is ridiculous.

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[–] PP_BOY_ 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I understand your sentiment but as a history major I need to clarify that Russia is literally the Second World Nation. As in, the First, Second, and Third categorization emerged to describe pro-NATO, pro-Warsaw Pact, and unaligned countries.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago (2 children)

China was considered a true partner of the West until 2008.

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[–] [email protected] 76 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Whaaat? But China said they weren't doing that. China wouldn't just lie like that, would it?

[–] Hotdogman 31 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Did you check behind their back to see if their fingers were crossed?

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] rustyfish 8 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Where have you been when China lied for the 48352847285627th time this week? 🥲

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Around I guess, but I was utilizing the technique of sarcasm there.

[–] rustyfish 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

And I tried to reference the club penguin meme. I suck at being funny.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Well, shit. Comedy is hard, don't beat yourself up.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Both Russia and Ukraine are buying and using consumer-level drones and scopes from China, though...

Turns out, AliExpress is pretty fucking amazing.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

Eh, sometimes it is.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 2 years ago (1 children)

China is widely suspected of supplying Russia with equipment and materials to support their war, however no-one has adduced anything concrete to support that theory so far.

The article itself doesn't cite much in the way of sources or evidence, other than mentioning a report by Molfar, the open source intelligence agency. Molfar has published reports on the same topic in the past, but there hasn't been anything recently.

If the Telegraph had new information or evidence they would be shouting a lot louder than this. This is most likely them covering up for a quiet day by dredging up some old rumours and repackaging them as news.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago

In other news, China is also widely suspected of supplying Ukraine with equipment and materials to support their war.

Turns out, China isn't a single entity but a bunch of companies that want to make a whole ton of money by profiteering off of war.

The CCP doesn't care about the conflict so long as they can claim neutrality.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Probably not for long given the state of the Rouble and the economy. Tech-wise Russia has nothing to offer and when it comes to the stuff China might be interested in, such as ores and oil, well you'd have to not send miners to the front to continue producing them. That Russia of all countries is importing metals should make you stop and think.

Lenin is rotating in his mausoleum.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 years ago

Russia provides a buffer, it's the same thing as North Korea. China aids NK to keep US allies as far away from themselves as possible.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Dual-use goods

Such goods are classified as dual-use, meaning they also have civilian purposes, allowing China to skirt international sanctions and claim that it conducts only legal trade with Russia

The "international sanctions" btw:

You can't just unilaterally decree someone can't be traded dual use goods

[–] njm1314 12 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Not sure if you understand the meaning of "unilateral".

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

For those interested, the dual use loophole is how the yanks supplied Saddam when he fought Iran and used chemical weapons against the Kurds. A conbination of dual use and swaps through intermediaries. Nowadays the US didn't give as much of a fuck and instead manufactures reasons for why it's okay to ship direct.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Although there is quite a gap between saying metals are dual use, and playing coy about specific chemicals that are most useful as precursors for advanced chemical weapons being dual use

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago

That there is.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

Helicopters, drones, and metals they won't be able to use at Taiwan.

[–] Kbobabob 14 points 2 years ago (4 children)

Not sure that makes it any better. Oppressing a country vs. helping oppress a country.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Politically it's better. Ukraine has 16 countries that committed over a billion Euros. We're not how many countries would back Taiwan.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I mean over a billion Euros is technically correct, the actual number however is more like 150 to 200 billion Euros

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[–] jcit878 5 points 2 years ago (5 children)

the difference is in Taiwan's case america would be directly involved and have already committed to this, it is likely Japan would also and some other countries are likely to contribute to. china wouldn't have a hope

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

whaat ? China sending weapons to Russia !?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Beijing issued a 12-point “peace statement” earlier this year that rehashed its position and did not propose any solutions to ending the war.

You obviously didn't read it then...

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 years ago

It contains points such as "sovereignty should be respected" but no proposal as to how to make Russia respect Ukraine's sovereignty.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 years ago

The West is just going to have to be the first side to master dominion over the psi-powered mind worms.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Would those unspecified metals be of good quality or is there a risk they might be the sub-par stuff that is said to be exported by unscrupulous Chinese companies?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago

Give away trash, get better prices on oil

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