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I myself am really on the fence about this.

I hate what Reddit has done, as I was removed as a moderator on my sub. But I much prefer the UI to Lemmy so far. I’m also having a hard time understanding how this all works. I was familiar with Reddit, and it is obviously a way more active community.

But I also used Apollo and hate how they’ve done him so dirty.

Will you guys return if Reddit rights it’s wrongs?

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[–] OverfedRaccoon 79 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Spez is doubling down. He's shown his hand. He's lied. It's like watching Anakin's descent to the dark side. He's too far gone.

I don't really think there is a going back. The watering hole is poisoned. There's no more good faith. And, I think for a lot people, especially people here, it's a matter of principle at this point.

I might check in on certain niche subs that don't move on to other platforms, but the days of gleefully doomsctolling are over.

[–] mintberrycrunch 32 points 1 year ago (1 children)

IMO the response was even worse than the initial change. That is what put it over for me.

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[–] Grant 43 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Fuck spez. Even if they reversed their decision, they have made it very clear how much they will take control if they don't get their way. They have repeatedly mistreated the mods, devs, and community. They slandered a man with lies that could end his career because of why? To gain social points?

Spez has shown what reddit really is and I am done

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago

My sentiments exactly. I wonder what it's like for the reddit staff to work with such a gaslighting, condescending and deceitful boss.

We owe the Apollo dev a lot for shining a bright light at the leadership of reddit and specifically /u/spez.

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Definitely not. Even if I get luke-warm on lemmy, Huffman has shown a complete disregard to the community and has completely pivoted to building the business. As soon as they introduced New reddit and bought AlienBlue, the writing was already on the wall.

I'm not sure if lemmy/the fediverse has the legs to keep the community going indefinitely (i was around when Voat was absorbing the last reddit exodus, i'm hoping lemmy has more legs than that), but I think i'm done with these for-profit social media sites. Youtube is the last one (for me) that hasn't burned that bridge, but I'm not a contributor there anyway. For being a link-aggregation website though, I feel like federations are a perfect fit.

I'm old enough now that I can see myself not using social media at all.... Jesus how did I get so old. Time to go buy a Miata and some aviators.

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 year ago

No

There's more to this than the direct changes to their platform:

  • not communicating with mods and users
  • being deadset about a really bad feature
  • doubling down on killing third party development
  • being a real dick about controversies
  • not valuing users for their content
  • not valuing volunteer moderators
  • going after a beloved developer specifically for no other reason than him going public with the situation

There's some things you can't rebuild, and a lot of redditors accept that Reddit is like an abusive spouse and it's time to see other people.

[–] Sir_mittens2 23 points 1 year ago (1 children)

No I like it here better. The community is better. It's less toxic. Feels like the old internet again

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Hell no.

My issues with Reddit boil down to three: the admins, the mods, and the users. (Note: this is coming from a former Reddit user and mod.) Even if the admins turn 180°, the other two issues remain.

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Nope. It's far too US-centric, both in content and cultural norms enforced by censorship. What's really great about the fediverse is to be able to find not just niche content about "the outside world" but communities literally run under different cultural norms.

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[–] Belligerentzucchini 20 points 1 year ago (6 children)

I don’t think I will. I’m not fully moved over - I’ll use Apollo and if/whenthat goes away, then I’m done with Reddit. I’m having a harder time navigating lemmy and getting used to the concept, but it’s also kinda exciting. I remember joining Reddit in ‘09 and it was a similar feel, but this is better. So I think under most circumstances, unless they like get rid of apex and make some serious amends to some others, I won’t go back.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I'm done. I moderated a very small, niche hobby sub for a bit over three years. The size and niche-ness kept it fairly well insulated from the worst online behaviors, but it's been shifting this year. I have been seeing more and more users posting to the sub for the first time, simply pushing their content creator/influencer material on Insta and Youtube. Their posts are only vaguely related to the sub topic, and they never stick around to have meaningful conversations in the comments of their posts. When they violate the sub rules, I have a policy of warning once and removing only if they don't respond within 24 hours. But even with a 24 hour warning, people get NASTY.

I modded the community for the benefit of others. With the shift in sub demographics and reddit sweeping my legs out from under me in terms of mod tools that allow me to keep control of the sub, I'm done. I can't keep it shaped into the community the original members want. They're frustrated. I'm frustrated. It's no longer fun or fulfilling. Someone who wants to keep the sub aligned with the wants of the new content creator/influencer demographics are welcome to it. Personally, I think a sub of people advertising their channels elsewhere is worthless.

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[–] minimar 19 points 1 year ago

Nope! I've now realised all centralised platforms are doomed to enshittification. I'm here for the long haul.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I was on Reddit 15 years and recently have been considering getting off the platform for other various reasons. All of the recent developments were just the final thing to push me to actually leave.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

This was me, too. I was actively looking for alternatives already, this whole debacle just provided enough of a community on those alternatives for it to feel like a worthy time to switch. There's nothing that will get me to go back at this point.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Most responses I've seen have centered on spez's actions, but I have a bigger reason for saying no.

Ever since the Conde Nasty days Reddit has gone in a direction that would be abhorrent to Aaron Schwarz. For this who aren't aware, Aaron was one of the original designers and developers of Reddit.

Anyway, I feel that reddit is now something of an insult to Aaron's legacy. Spez has made it worse by pissing on his grave.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Reddit is no longer showing on my computer. Something about /etc/hosts. Can’t imagine how that happened.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

I installed a Firefox extension that redirects any reddit.com link to my Lemmy instance.

Edit: added link to the extension.

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[–] Lanusensei87 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Reddit will get increasingly worse the moment they go public, even if they backpeddal on all of the BS (and they did to some extent), I'm already envisioning several Twitter/Twitch/YouTube-like anti-user monetization features that will trickle down one by one over the years. The owners and admins have shown their true colors, there is no undoing that.

If it weren't for how rough (and personally, confusing) Lemmy is right now, I wouldn't even consider going back. But if the growth stalls, and communities remain super small, I might hop back, which is why I haven't deleted my content and account over there yet.

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[–] megane_kun 15 points 1 year ago

No.

Way too much trust has been lost for me to even consider going back to that place.

Even if they completely remove and ban Steve Huffman and his family, fiends or even acquaintances from any and all company and/or subcontracted positions, completely overhaul all their positions and replace them with trustworthy people (sucks to be them, but they know what they're getting into), add all the requested features overnight including and especially the accessibility features... I still won't consider going back to them.

They will need to exert a huge amount good faith effort over a span of a decade to earn back my trust, if they're at all capable of doing things in good faith.

[–] IanM32 13 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I'm keeping my account live so that I can still interact and ask questions in threads when I get taken there by search results. Reddit ultimately shows up a lot when looking for solutions to technical problems.

As far as browsing and contributing, I think I'm sticking with Lemmy. Things are just starting to get good.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Short: No

Long: Theoretically yes, but they'd need to completely change leadership and also give up any notion of going public and instead transition to a non-profit. I dont think they can be working for the community while chasing profits. They have been trying to exploit users for profit rather than work with them.

That reddit could see me return, but at that point it'd be a very different situation and a very different reddit. I don't think we'll ever see it happen.

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[–] Chronic_Intermission 12 points 1 year ago

I don't plan on going back to Reddit in a major way. After giving Reddit up, I find myself thinking over my experience on that site for the last few years. Engaging commentary was harder and harder to find, particularly in any sub of sufficient size, and I spent a lot of my scrolling through Reddit angry. Leaving Reddit has been a wake up call for me. It's a rat race on Reddit, and I don't need that in my life anymore.

[–] MigratingtoLemmy 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

No. I'll use RSS to lurk on subs that don't move, but this more and fragmentation has pushed me to finally try and curb my endless scrolling habits (by utilising IRC, I now only go through small bytes of content, and if I don't feel like it is important, I don't waste any more time).

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[–] kinther 12 points 1 year ago (2 children)
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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago

I think reddit model should be as a non profit org., something like wikipedia. No ads, no selling or trying to monetize user data, or being hostage to its investors whims. That would require a complete change of management. Only then I would think about going back.

[–] Sirobin 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

No. It would be different if they just killed third party apps (with appropriate notice) and like, I would be upset, since Apollo is genuinely one of the best pieces of software I've ever used, but I would just use old Reddit on my phone like I do with my computer, and it would be fine. But the outright hostility spez has shown for users means I will never post there again, and I'm signed out unless I need to find something on my account. The final straw was spez's response to the blackouts, which I would summarize as "Once they get over their little temper tantrum, they'll come crawling back to us." It was condescending, insulting, and frankly infuriating. He can't even pay lip service to the most dedicated members of the site, so god knows what he's saying in private. Why on earth should we spend any time on a site who's leadership so clearly despises us?

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago

Not planning to return. Lemmy feels good to me. Happy to be here.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I will never willingly provide free labour in the form of commenting, interacting, and posting on a site that not only exploits my work for profit, but insults me and is run by a pathological liar and malignant narcissist. So no.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago

Nope. Not a chance. I have no love for giant corporations, and Reddit has always been particularly shit even by that standard. Say what you want about the evils of Meta / Google / Apple, ETC ETC ETC, but at least they generally try to keep their users happy, or at least using their platforms. Reddit just seem to have absolutely no idea what their users want half the time, Reddit premium anyone? The way they handled, or rather failed to handle, the accessibility issue also leaves a rather bitter taste in my mouth.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Nope, my account is gone and so are my comments.

I'm done with reddit.

Either Lemmy takes off, or I may start reading more in my free time...

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I hate to be the one to go against the grain here, but yeah I would. I mean, I'd try to continue posting here as much as possible, but there are at least a few communities that I'd probably fall back to Reddit for. Reddit's popularity means there's active discussion on some surprisingly niche topics. Like, there's an active Sumo wrestling sub. There isn't a community here for that, and even if I made one (which I don't want to do because I don't want to moderate) it would just be me screaming into the void.

And I don't think that's going to be a concern anyway. There's no sign they're going to backtrack on anything, in fact they just keep doubling down.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

sadly... yes. I'm just not finding the community here that I built up there over 11 years. I know, I know, give this 11 years and we'll get there, too... but it's still over there.

I did the whole "delete all comments and posts and replace with the API reasoning text" thing, for my main and my few alts. BUt I find I still am heading over there on browser through old.reddit and lurking.

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[–] lhx 10 points 1 year ago

If I can’t use Apollo I’m done for anything other than when a Reddit post is a web-search result.

[–] rollingFlint 10 points 1 year ago

No, I won't return.

This whole episode taught me the importance of diversifying the online communities/platforms that I use, and how NOT to rely on a single platform controlled by a for-profit entity.

From now on, it's communities based on open platforms first for me, and proprietary ones the distance second and only if I really can't avoid it.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's hard to say for me. What about next time they do something like this? It Seems like only a matter of time before they do. Maybe it would just be better to build and support this platform then deal with their nonsense anymore

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[–] ilickfrogs 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Up until 3rd party app devs announced they're converting their apps to Lemmy? Yes.

Now, absolutely the fuck not. Reddit is a cesspool compared to when I first joined in 2013. Lemmy feels a lot more like reddit did then. It's quaint and cozy here. Yes I'd like to see this place grow some more. But 1/10th the size of reddit would be plenty. Most reddit users don't contribute anything useful anyways so no loss there.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

No. The enshittification will progress regardless. I‘ve seen this often enough.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

Friendship ended with Reddit users, now fedverse users are my new best friend(s).

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

I wouldn't. I was already getting sick of Reddit in the last year, so this has been a welcome change.

There are still some communities I miss, but hopefully they make their way over here in time.

[–] Monkeyhog 8 points 1 year ago

Nope, I've already deleted all of my comments and posts on a 10+ year old account. They can go straight to hell. Fuck them.

[–] misterundercoat 8 points 1 year ago

Short answer: No

Long answer: Nooooooooooo

[–] Ataraxia 8 points 1 year ago

Nope. They're garbage.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

No. I like it much better here

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

https://static.xtremeownage.com/blog/2023/what-happened-to-reddit/

100% fuck u/spez.

They have messed up pretty badly, and anyone who still trusts them, is wearing a blindfold.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

Nope, being an open source and privacy zealot I wanted to switch to Lemmy well before anyone cared about it. But I deleted my account because it had like twenty active people on it at most. Now that it's gaining users I'm definitely staying. I wasn't very active on Reddit for quite a while anyway, discussion grew repetitive.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

Nah, fuck reddit. "If people tell you who they are you better believe them."

That bridge has been burned to the ground.

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