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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 day ago

Fabric softener is great. Mix a bit with water and use it to clean your shower glass doors/walls. It removes limescale like a charm thanks to the anionic surfactants that are in there. And the Aldi store brand costs hardly anything.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago

Gen X here, I only use unscented dryer sheets because if I don't I will get shocked a lot. My apartment is great because the humidity is super low in the winter, but clothing hurts. Humidifier doesn't work because if I don't use distilled water everything gets a rust color on it. Also I'd be going through a gallon of distilled water a day. I can't afford that, but I sure as heck can afford a big box of unscented dryer sheets that solves my problem.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 day ago

It's worth noting that cat owners(at least, never had anything buts cats) should avoid certain essential oils, As our furry pals' little organs aren't equipped to process them, and they can easily be deadly!

@[email protected], saw you mention essential oils too, just a PSA.

[–] [email protected] 40 points 2 days ago (3 children)

It's worse. Fabric softener is composed of an anti static oil. When you run it in the laundry, it coats all of your clothes with a very thin layer of oil.

Which is why towels dried with fabric softener and dryer sheets don't absorb water anywhere near as well as plain towels dried without it!!

My mom complained to me for years that I wasn't "doing it right" by not using fabric softener. But her towels are useless compared to mine! She continues to spends $100/ year on fabric softener while on social security. Over the year she has spent thousands and thousands of $$$. 🤦‍♀️

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

yup, I kept finding these weird stains on our clothes and figured out it was from the fabric softener sheets, stopped using them immediately. Can’t even tell the difference tbh

[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 days ago* (last edited 21 hours ago) (3 children)

Not only that, some people (including myself) are sensitive to the oils used. Having underwear that actively makes you itchy sucks. I switched to wool dryer balls and never looked back

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[–] RBWells 34 points 2 days ago (8 children)

That homemade laundry soap made with bar soap would be a nightmare in hard water. I don't even want to think about soap scum in the drains and in my clothes.

I just use the smallest amount of detergent I can get out of the bottle, that works well. And don't wash a garment after wearing it once if it's not underwear. Invested in a lot of Merino stuff which manages to be comfortable even here in Florida and doesn't stink ever. I can wear those shirts and just hang them back up.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 2 days ago (3 children)

I'm happy buying detergent honestly - it last a LONG time when you actually use the correct amount per load. I think the real crime is the "measuring caps" on liquid detergent basically tricking everyone into using WAY too much detergent. Most washers will recommend 1-2 tablespoons of detergent maximum for heavily soiled loads.. Most measuring caps are over that even at the first of several marks, and people rarely think they need the minimum (moar soap moar clean, right?) - so people tend to add 5-10 times the detergent they need.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

I'm not convinced about the cost. A kilogram of borax seems to run about $10CAD. 2 cups, at 1.7g/CC, would be about 850g, so $7 just for the Borax. Unless there's a much cheaper place to get it...

A ~5L jug of Tide costs $31, or about $6/L. If they have approximately equivalent cleaning power per volume, Tide wins.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Most of that tide jug is water.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Yeah, which is why I added the note about cleaning power per unit volume. But it'd have to be a fair bit more powerful to make the effort worth it, I think.

We use maybe 50ml of Tide (so that'd be probably 100 loads) when doing our laundry, so if that's equivalent to like one tablespoon of the Borax mix, I could see it saving me $20 or so overall, if it's three times stronger.

So it'd come down to how much time I spend shopping and combining the mixture vs just buying it.

Mind, that's just the borax. Bar soap and baking soda are cheap but not free.

(edit: and before someone jumps on me about "baking soda", I was thinking of it in terms of decomposing it into carbonate in the oven. I haven't priced out washing soda)

[–] SkunkWorkz 42 points 2 days ago (5 children)

If only millennials bought more fabric softener instead of avocados and coffee they would be able to afford a house.

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[–] [email protected] 37 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I can't imagine baking baking soda in an oven is cheaper than just buying washing soda? They're both sold in similar size bags (1kg) for similar prices in my area (€9-€10). Seems like a waste of energy to buy the wrong type of carbonate.

[–] johker216 22 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Some people will literally discard economies of scale just to be sanctimonious.

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[–] macaw_dean_settle 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Wool balls do not work with synthetics.

[–] DempstersBox 3 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Synthetics are terrible anyway

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

Cotton fibers from repeated washes and clothing waste are also terrible though. In my case, one pair of synthetic outdoor or workout pants lasts over a decade while a pair of cotton jeans or khakis has the crotch chewed out within months. As far as I understand the math on the environmental impact, it's more about using the same items for as long as possible than what material those items are.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

Cheap ones, yep.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Fabric softener is sometime useful for very hard water. You don't have to buy it, though. You can use white vinegar to soften the water to actually soften the fabric mix in a big container one part white vinegar to one part sodium bicarbonate. Wait for it to stop foaming. Add four drops of essential oils per liter of mixture. Stir. Allow to rest a few hour before using. You can make big quantity ahead of time as long as your container is big enough for the big foam of the big batch.

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[–] TrojanRoomCoffeePot 18 points 2 days ago (4 children)

Honestly at a loss here. The title references fabric softener, but the content relates more specifically to DIY laundry detergent while only mentioning that softener makes clothes more vulnerable to wear & tear. What's the nitty-gritty on the fabric softener? Does it actually damage clothing in some way?

As geek analogy, is it like the subatomic bacteria that starts destroying the Klingon ship in Star Trek: the Next Generation S2E8's "A Matter Of Honor", or does it just make the material more susceptible to tearing?

[–] [email protected] 21 points 2 days ago (8 children)

https://www.scienceabc.com/eyeopeners/how-do-fabric-softeners-work.html

It was created so that when you dried clothes outside (especially cotton) they didn't get crunchy. The fibers tend to freeze an interlock microscopically when they dry. It coats the fibers and makes them not stick together.

When mechanical dryers became the norm, they needed a new reason, so the called out static. And in some climates, dryer static can be a bit of a pain. Dryer balls supposedly help with this, but I can't find any reasonable data to back that up, and that's just the kind of thing we're confirmation bias over.

Softener can/will build up on the fabric. It can discolor bright whites.

I think the worst of it is:

  • if you use it on towels or anything meant to absorb water, it seriously dampens that ability
  • it builds up in the nooks and crannies of the washer and it's hard to clean off,
  • it's expensive
  • for mechanical drying in moderate climates, it does little more than add smell.
  • some people have allergenic reactions to it
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[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I worked in appliances for about ten years, and not a single washer manufacturer would actually recommend using fabric softener. It horribly gums up the workings of the machine, even when you use the tiny amount you are actually supposed to (which most people use way too much). They are (or were originally) basically just animal fats and emulsifiers with some fragrance thrown in. They smell awful when they are left stuck somewhere for a long time (like the outer walls of the inner tub of your washing machine - seriously, it probably looks furry if you opened it up to see).

I can't speak to what it does to your clothes specifically, but I can imagine several downsides to essentially coating fabric in lavender scented industrial mayonnaise.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 days ago

probably most everything is a scam if you look close enough.

[–] HamstersAreLowCarb 6 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Nobody's mentioend laundry detergent sheets yet? Super cheap. I buy the Poesie brand. 160 sheets in a box for $9.49. That's just under 6¢ per load. For my two loads of laundry per week, a box lasts me a year and a half.

Bonus: the box takes up almost no space, 6" x 5" x 3".

Also, white vinegar is an awesome replacement for fabric softener!

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

"Detergent sheets", "dryer sheets", it's like you're in a different world with these fantastically strange single-use products :D

They look like a tissue made of rough fiber, do they dissolve or do you have to throw them away after usage? Either way it seems less practical than just adding a bit of powder, but what do I know :)

Another replacement for fabric softener is hair conditioner (diluted with water so it runs better). I only use it when washing polyester fleece, since that gets fiercely static, so it's nice to be able to use a product we already have at home.

[–] HamstersAreLowCarb 1 points 23 hours ago

Detergent sheets completely dissolve in the wash.

Single-use? I mean ... sure? I guess? The same way a scoop of detergent powder is single-use.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

But won't that make your clothes smell like vinegar?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

How much do you imagine should be used per load?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago (2 children)
[–] HamstersAreLowCarb 2 points 23 hours ago

You only need 1/4 Cup...

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago

Are you trying to pickle your clothing?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 days ago (1 children)

It's worth wondering how much fabric softener would cost someone over their adult lifetime as an exercise. Let's say 50 years of adulthood, and 12 bottles a year costing $10 each. That's six grand. For something that serves no functional purpose, makes towels less effective and has an environmental impact.

So yes it's a scam. If someone really needs to use fabric softener, at least buy a cheaper supermarket brand and use it sparingly.

[–] BreadAndThread 15 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

12 bottles a year??? Lmfao exactly how much laundry you got? Assume a family of 4 does 3 loads a week (12 a month). A bottle of Snuggle fabric softener ($8) has roughly 112 rinse loads.

That's 112 rinse loads /12 wash loads a month = 9.3 months

2 bottles max a year at a whopping $16.

$16 x 50 years= $800

[–] libra00 90 points 3 days ago (42 children)

'Most millennials aren't buying enough of our shit and that's a HUGE PROBLEM that all of you definitely care about!'

That's some pretty useful advice in the comments tho. But also I'm 52 years old and have literally never used fabric softener in my life and have no idea what it's supposed to be for other than making companies like Proctor & Gamble even more money.

Also, another handy tip: 'lather, rinse, repeat' is bullshit, unless you have really thick or really oily hair and don't wash regularly, you don't need to wash it twice, the shampoo company just wants you to buy more. Same with fill marks in a washing machine, unless you're doing a huge load there's no reason to fill it all the way up.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 2 days ago (1 children)

This new generation can't do anything and spends money frivolously.... This generation is too stingy and resourceful.... Guys pick a damn lane.

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[–] [email protected] 50 points 2 days ago (4 children)

Yeah I'm not putting all that effort and potentially ruining my washing machine to save me a few cents per wash. That seems ridiculous.

You don't even have to buy the fancy, expensive, in a pod detergent or anything, considering they always contain the same stuff that comes in a box/bottle. Just buy whatever's cheap.

[–] theshoeshiner 44 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (4 children)

Yea, making your own laundry detergent from grated soap and borax seems like something people with money do to convince themselves they're frugal. When in reality, there is no way in hell you're making a commodity cheaper than GreatValue (tm)

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