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The answer to "what is Firefox?" on Mozilla's FAQ page about its browser used to read:

The Firefox Browser is the only major browser backed by a not-for-profit that doesn’t sell your personal data to advertisers while helping you protect your personal information.

Now it just says:

The Firefox Browser, the only major browser backed by a not-for-profit, helps you protect your personal information.

In other words, Mozilla is no longer willing to commit to not selling your personal data to advertisers.

A related change was also highlighted by mozilla.org commenter jkaelin, who linked direct to the source code for that FAQ page. To answer the question, "is Firefox free?" Moz used to say:

Yep! The Firefox Browser is free. Super free, actually. No hidden costs or anything. You don’t pay anything to use it, and we don’t sell your personal data.

Now it simply reads:

Yep! The Firefox Browser is free. Super free, actually. No hidden costs or anything. You don’t pay anything to use it.

Again, a pledge to not sell people's data has disappeared. Varma insisted this is the result of the fluid definition of “sell” in the context of data sharing and privacy.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 31 minutes ago (1 children)

Soon the only private option left will be to curl the website, read the html and picture it in my head.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 22 minutes ago

stallman was right

[–] [email protected] 16 points 11 hours ago (2 children)

Are there any specifics about this? It all seems fairly theoretical to me. What do they [want to] do that contradicts "doesn't sell your personal data" within the context of the fluid definition of "sell"? Do they sell my personal data or don't they? What definitions of "sell" are relevant here?

It's all sounding a bit Bill Clinton to me: "it depends on your definition of 'is'."

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

One thing to keep in mind is thar mozilla is now an ad company and can use this data itself for whatever advertising it wants to sell, so they dont even need a third party they can just sell targeted ads directly to companies while not technically "sharing" the info they gather to anyone.

Basically, why sell the data to other people when you can profit from using it directly?

[–] taanegl 22 points 11 hours ago

The ambiguity is the smoking gun.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 14 hours ago (5 children)

Now that Mozilla's fucked. What's the next option that's not Chromium?

[–] [email protected] 31 points 11 hours ago (1 children)
  • Mozilla is sliding down a slippery slope to enshitification; but they're still near the top of that slide. The bad stuff hasn't actually come yet. So Firefox is still top-tier in the short term.
  • In the medium term, we can look towards a fork such as Librewolf or Waterfox.
  • And in the long term, we'll probably turn to a new project using Ladybird or Servo.
[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 hours ago

It do be a slippery slope though

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

Disable tor in tor browser.

[–] dai 12 points 11 hours ago

Ladybird in a few years, forks of Firefox for now.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 hours ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 hours ago

That isn't ready for common use by most people until there they offer binaries for easy installation.

[–] SirHery 7 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

A different fork from firefox like librewolf

[–] [email protected] 2 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Librewolf is just some patches added on top of Firefox.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago) (1 children)

Which happen to remove all telemetry, ads, reporting, etc. You know, the reason we don't want to use vanilla Firefox.

Use Librewolf. Please don't use any damned Chromium-based trash.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

I'll stop using Chromium-based trash once Firefox devs stop acting all holier than thou and implement WebUSB and WebSerial instead of some vague notion they are protecting me from myself by not implementing it.

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