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Fuck Windows and Microsoft really. Today I had a meeting call through Teams first thing in the morning so I start my computer 10 minutes earlier than the call because it takes a like 3 or 4 minutes to boot and for Windows to be responsive. Windows decides to apply some past update so it takes 2 or 3 additional minutes which is fine, I am just in time for the meeting call. Well, 10 minutes into the call a notification in windows appears that the computer will restart in 5 minutes and with no option to postpone WTF. Imagine this was an important sales call, an emergency or something else critical, I might be fucked. The computer restarted I started my linux personal computer and I connect my bluetooth headphones to the it but no, they were connected to the Windows computer while it was restarting so I could not just call from it as the microphone started failing a few weeks ago. (I will just replace it, thanks Framework). So fuck my company for using Windows. Fuck Windows for developing such a nightmare OS with so shitty code. This was for sure a patch for a critical vulnerability, like always. And WTF this is Windows for a business, have a fucking super stable branch that does not need patches every other day. I don't care about your updates to the shitty weather widget, just have a fucking working operating system that let's me do my work. Fuck Microsoft monopolistic practices that keeps people and businesses from switching to Linux. There is no better publicity for Linux that Windows itself. Most Linux/GNU distros just let you choose when to update.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 hours ago

I recently had a spare machine sitting around doing nothing and was feeling a bit masochistic, so I decided to install Windows 11 on it just to see what it was like. I've used Windows 10 a tiny bit but essentially haven't touched Windows in years. A couple of the fun things I noticed:

  • After installing, I was going to set a new wallpaper. I double-clicked on a jpeg file and instead of opening it, it popped up with a window asking me what I wanted to do with this apparently unknown file type. I literally said out loud, "what do you mean, it's a fucking jpeg." Then it did the same thing for a .zip.

  • I also made a restore point once I had all the basics installed, so I could roll back when Windows inevitably fucked up doing an update. I then did the first big update and it fucked it up. "No worries" I thought, "I made a restore point!" I went to restore it, and discovered that for some unknown reason Windows only saves one restore point. This wouldn't have been a problem, except that Windows had decided to fuck itself up, and then automatically overwrite the manual save point with it's own save point from immediately after it fucked itself up, leaving that as the only thing to restore to.

I then quite sensibly formatted the drive and went back to using Linux.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 hours ago

I'm assuming the windows machine is a work PC and the Linux is yours right?

Because what you describe doesn't sound like a "windows" issue but rather an IT management issue.

You can put off updates and reboots a very long time. And always be able yo postpone them.

Applying updates on boot daily sounds dumb to me. But I'm also figuring your IT dept has poor (or no) sense in managing their inventory well. Most updates can be applied silently at a scheduled time.

Also, your machine sounds old and/or poorly maintained the way you describe it. If its more than 5 years old your company is just cheap.

I'm all for griping about Windows but this seems off to me.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 hours ago

This sounds like a problem with your organization. I use windows at the hospital where I work, and we don't run into these kinds of issues. Yeah it is rife with other issues like goading you into using microsoft edge, one drive, and more, but updates are handled by IT.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 12 hours ago

I've only worked at one software company where devs where allowed to install Linux as their OS. It was awesome... except when there was an update and then you had an urgent request from management while you where fixing what the update broke

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

You want to use Linux and yet you don't know what a newline character is?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

why bother with that in a rant, I say it's bloat, and they were right to no use it. in fact now that im thinking about this i realize i can save a lot of time if i dont give a shit what the text looks like. cry about it

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

IFYOUREMADENOUGHEVENSPACESANDLOWERCASELETTERSAREBLOAT

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

NDCNSNNTS2

translationAnd consonants too

[–] [email protected] 6 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago)

I have a channel on my team's Slack were I just vent off on these kind of situations 😬

#windows-is-the-best, inspired from #gitlab-is-the-best, the chan were everyone vents off when the CI refuses to pick up workers 😅

[–] [email protected] 6 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

I actually would really prefer for companies to just provide us virtual machines and I can connect to vpn and then to the work hosts. This way I can use my own setup.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 hours ago

VDI is fairly common, but it has is own set of problems

[–] [email protected] 11 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago)

I unplugged my company issued Windows 11 Dell laptop from its charger yesterday so that I could go ask a manager a question in their office, and the entire computer just shut the fuck off despite having full charge. I'm so glad I moved all my personal stuff to Linux.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Fuck Windows and Microsoft really.

🙏🙏🙏 testify, brother.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 hours ago

Hey you can't just assume someone on a pro-linux rant on Lemmy is a man....

Jk

[–] [email protected] 25 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

Windows also used to show me the ugly face of Trump in the start menu even if I didn't ask for it. That was more than 4 years ago. Recently was accidentally hovering over some 'copilot' button in Edge of a friend. And again - pop-up with Trump. So yes: fuck Windows, fuck Microsoft

[–] [email protected] 12 points 21 hours ago

Wow, that is some nightmare fuel type shit. That's actually crazy.

[–] [email protected] 64 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Our work is the opposite. As soon as a new machine arrives we go straight to BIOS at boot, switch the settings and install Linux immediately. Windows never sees the light of day. I do feel for you as we do do sales calls and in the middle of sales calls the people that we are calling have their computers reboot on them, do an update, or I've just got to restart and on restart it does an update and huge amounts of time are wasted on those people.

Windows probably costs the world millions a day in wasted, for time for shit like that.

[–] EntropyPure 22 points 1 day ago (10 children)

How do you manage your fleet? How big is your network?

I‘d love to push for Linux at work, but have yet to see a solution with similar management capabilities than a Windows domain. And I don’t want to manage individual clients, as sysadmin I want to push templates like GPOs and the like.

Can see it work for smaller environments, but not in a company with a couple hundred machines.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago)

One place I worked at just gave people Linux computers without telling them and disabled the boot image. The job was mostly online Salesforce, so Chrome got them through everything. Imaging was a breeze. We even made it kinda look like windows. No one really commented on it. We didnt hide it from anyone but we didnt go out of our way to make a big deal out of it.

Linux works when people stop thinking of it as "Linux". Its "Android" or "Steam OS" or "My smart TV" etc.... All you need to do is rename it and suddenly they are ok with it.

[–] reddfugee 9 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

I work in a higher ed org that uses a mix of (mostly) Red Hat servers and Windows & Mac endpoints; the Linux-focused admins use Ansible for things I’d do with either GPOs (if it’s something tried & true) or Intune (if it’s some half-baked newness and campus IT would actually give my group the permissions) in Windows.

[–] EntropyPure 6 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

Oh, Ansible is an interesting starting point. Would not thought of it for that purpose, I always „only“ link it mentally to automated deployment.

Will look into it out of curiosity.

[–] reddfugee 3 points 14 hours ago

Yeah, I’d never seen it used in this way either. They use it mostly to modify config files, which gives you a lot of control over most things on a Linux box. We also use it for Macs to do things like create a standardized local administrator account (since Apple doesn’t have a LAPS equivalent). It’s a pretty tangled web but we have an old-school Linux admin who keeps it all ticking (we just worry about his ticker!).

Good luck!

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 day ago

Oh, hell no. We are absolutely tiny.

It's very much a trust-based situation as we all work together and in a small team.

I would actually love to know how to handle remote shutdown of PCs and lock out and things like that, for as we do grow, we are getting busier, and starting to expand.

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[–] carrylex 8 points 18 hours ago (2 children)

because it takes a like 3 or 4 minutes to boot

What kind of PC is this? Does it have an SSD?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

My one year old Dell Latitude with a fast SSD needs about 8 minutes every morning to boot windows and start all that security crap that company IT has put on there.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago)

This. I have a mobile workstation with a 12th gen i7, 32gb RAM, and NVME SSD but it's not uncommon to be waiting multiple minutes for boot due to all the pre-installed spyware from IT. It takes up half the RAM at all times and severely limits the performance for many non-whitelisted apps to the point I can't even run Firefox smoothly on it anymore.

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 day ago

Windows fr thinks that getting updates done is more important than getting work done.

[–] [email protected] 38 points 1 day ago (7 children)

I’m no Windows fanboy but I have to use it quite a lot, at home and at work. I don’t know what versions or settings you guys have set up but I’ve never had a Windows update I can’t postpone, ever.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 hours ago

24h2 is now a forced upgrade

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 hours ago

Me neither, until today...

[–] Im_old 39 points 1 day ago

In corporate managed fleet of PCs updates are pushed by the company internal management systems. Some companies give you a 24hours option, some others (ahem, power tripping sysadmins, I know, I was one) say "fuck you and your work, you install when I say so". It's not strictly a Windows thing, it's a company policy.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 22 hours ago (2 children)

Depends on the settings your IT has set up... Mine will let you put it off, but after a couple times you're left with no choice but to let it run.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 13 hours ago

I've been saying this for 30+ years, but no-one wanted to listen.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 19 hours ago

my boss told me today if we moved to literally any non-microsoft platform or software, i'd be out of a job.

and he's right. most of us only have careers because microsoft can't push out a software that's more than barebone functional - and everyone use them even if there are far superior alternatives out there literally only because of familiarity.

i'm not planning to stop giving microsoft shit of course. they should be criminally prosecuted over their exchange service even and how it's blacklisting competitors to force businesses onto the platform a la microsoft classic tactics. but eh.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 21 hours ago

This. If updates are SO important, then Windows can do it while it's shutting down.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

luckily i can wipe my work laptop and install linux (for now, there are discussions about not letting unmanaged devices on the network at some point...), but what annoys me is seeing how much tax money we send straight to microsoft. i work in the education sector in europe and the majority of the company's funds comes from the government, to send millions of that straight to the US, especially with the politics going on right now, seems like a horrible idea. and SO many others are doing the same thing, i swear if we invested just 10% of it into FOSS the world would be a better place already and we'd all save money.

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[–] CatZoomies 5 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

If you’re stuck with Windows for corporate-issued computers, the next time this happens you can abort shutdowns in Windows.

Command Prompt:

shutdown /a

Saved me several times over the years.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago)

Also Windows has a button similar to “don’t update this week” or similar.

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