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I’m planning to install Arch Linux for the first time. Any recommendations on setup, must-have applications, or best practices? Also, what’s something you wish you knew before switching to Arch?

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 days ago

So many tips, let me add mine.

  • btop - for monitoring and process management
  • pacseek - terminal UI for installing, searching packages (uses yay)
  • chaotic aur - repo for prebuilt binaries that are generally ok

When installing use the archinstall the first time, unless you really want to go into the deep end and use the normal install.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

I didn't read the documentation so I didn't know you weren't supposed to use sudo with yay.

-Ss can be added to pacman to search for packages. Pretty useful if you don't want to DuckDuckGo them every time.

As for applications one neat one I don't see recommended very often is xkill. You can use it to kill applications kind of like you would with the task manager in Windows. htop is probably a closer comparison to the task manager in general though.

There are a lot of Arch-based distros that are incredibly easy to install if you want a very easy setup process that doesn't involve a lot of terminal work.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

i thought yay told you to not run it with sudo?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago

It does. It gives you this message

-> Avoid running yay as root/sudo.

I only ran Debian and Ubuntu based distros up until that point so I thought you always needed to install packages using sudo.

I am pretty sure I ignored the warning initially because the first couple packages I tried to install with sudo and yay worked.

This was a while ago.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I've been using Arch off and on for a long time, since it was horrible to install and updates did often break stuff. This is not the case now 🖖, and the Arch wiki is your friend.

  1. Consider using btrfs with automated snapshots using yabsnap. It includes a configurable pacman hook in case something goes awry. Also just nice to have snapshots in case you accidentally delete a file or something.

  2. Use paru, an AUR helper. Good for random things which may not be officially packaged. Expect to run into failures, and learn to diagnose them. Sometimes it's just a new dependency the packager missed. For both paru and pacman, clean the cache once in a while or automatically, or things will get out of hand.

  3. Do the "manual" setup, at least the first time, so you have an idea what's going on. Don't forget to install essential stuff like iwd (if needed) when you do pacstrap, or else you might have to boot from live again to fix it. Once you're done, take care to follow the important post install steps, like setting up a user with sudo, a firewall, sshd, etc.

As for general setup, I've recently embraced systemd-networkd and systemd-resolved. Might be worth giving it a shot, since there is no default network manager like application. You can even convert all your wireguard client configs into networkd interfaces.

Best practice: Keep a personal log of various tweaks and things you've configured, and set up automated backups (more of general guidance).

Have fun!

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 days ago

Use btrfs with snapshots. Verify you know how to boot into snapshot after a failed update and repair the system. This is the most important thing and lets you experiment much more freely.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 days ago (3 children)

I wish I new how to easily install an AUR package manager when I first started.

Step 1: go to the AUR and choose a package manager. I recommend paru, but there are plenty of others.

Step 2: install git using pacman

sudo pacman -S git 

Step 3: copy the git clone URL for paru and pull it

git clone https://aur.archlinux.org/paru.git

Step 4: CD into the new directory

cd paru

Step 5: install paru

makepkg -si

Now when you find a package from the AUR you want, you can easily install it.

paru -S [package]

Also, when you update your system, you only need to run paru -Syu. You don't need to run both pacman -Syu and paru -Syu.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] 9tr6gyp3 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Rust-based and actively developed

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Rust based is not a feature it is a slogan. Yay is the defacto standard and also actively developed. That being said use whatever works for you and AUR.

[–] 9tr6gyp3 6 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Pacman is the only standard package manager for Arch. Arch recommends against using third party package managers, including Yay.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Is there a chance that Arch says that so they don't have to take on the responsibility of endorsing yay while also acknowledging its prevalence?

Like if Nintendo made a statement saying they recommend against third party mods or repairs that deal with joycon stick drift because they don't want to be held accountable or contacted about issues consumers run into a result of them.

[–] thevoidzero 3 points 2 days ago

My understanding is this:

It's just the principle of AUR wrappers. Yes they are very useful, but anyone and their uncle can put a package in AUR name it whatever they want as long as it's not taken. AUR wrapper makes it easier to install things without knowing much, but manually searching for something, finding it, and installing it involves conscious choices. Arch cannot be responsible for people installing malware from a software they recommended, that's why it's kept this way intensionally.

Imagine if yay/paru came with the os, or could be installed from pacman, then people would just recommend doing that to new users and then they might just install whatever and break the system a lot more.

[–] 9tr6gyp3 2 points 2 days ago

They acknowledge many wrappers, not just yay. However, none are officially supported.

Arch Wiki

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 days ago

Also, just paru is equivalent to paru -Syu

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago

Great advice.

Btw you don't need -S to install a package, just

paru packagename

Works fine

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 days ago

Start from the install guide on the wiki. It'll branch out fast and just follow all the links and read. If something goes wrong, check if you missed something on the wiki. It's an amazing resource.

Also, look up your hardware on the wiki before you start.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)
  • ALWAYS avoid partial upgrades, lest you end up bricking your system: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/System_maintenance#Partial_upgrades_are_unsupported
  • The Arch Wiki is your best friend. You can also use it offline, take a look at wikiman: https://github.com/filiparag/wikiman
  • It doesn't hurt to have the LTS kernel installed as a backup option (assuming you use the standard kernel as your chosen default) in case you update to a newer kernel version and a driver here or there breaks. It's happened to me on Arch a few times. One of them completely borked my internet connection, the other one would freeze any game I played via WINE/Proton because I didn't have resize BAR enabled in the BIOS. Sometimes switching to the LTS kernel can get around these temporary hiccups, at least until the maintainers fix those issues in the next kernel version.
  • The AUR is not vetted as much as the main package repositories, as it's mostly community-made packages. Don't install AUR packages you don't 100% trust. Always check the PKGBUILD if you're paranoid.
[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 days ago

It doesn’t hurt to have the LTS kernel installed as a backup option (assuming you use the standard kernel as your chosen default) in case you update to a newer kernel version and a driver here or there breaks.

I had a similar issue that was resolved by swapping to the LTS kernel. Learning about using a bootable Arch USB and chrooting into your install to make repairs would be a good thing for OP to know

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

be patient. read thoroughly. be open to a learning experience

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago

Make backups of your important files, or use a separate home partition. When I used arch, more than once I had a bricked install after doing updates. The last straw for me was when after updating my network completely went out. I switched to fedora and haven't had issues for 2+ years. Also, (this goes for every distro, but more so arch than others) NEVER update if you don't have at least some time in front of you in case something happens. Arch was definitely a good learning experience and it was fun at first tweaking everything, but the drawbacks in stability got a bit old after a while. The AUR is a godsend and it's the best thing ever, you should also be using an AUR helper like Yay to make your life easier.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago

The archinstaller script is pretty good if you're just needing a basic setup. Ive been really happy with a btrfs partion from the recommended disk layout, then using btrfs snapshots + grub bootloader to load from snapshots. You can also create a hook on pacman so that you create a snapshot when you upgrade packages.

Since you didn't mention your experience, id recommend looking at the various desktop environments so you know which one to pick during install. You can ofc change later.

And read the arch docs. They are very good and have a lot of time invested into them. If you find you don't have the patience to read them then you're probably going to want to look at a different OS. Good luck!

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Install slackware instead! But if you must, yay.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Any reason you would recommend Slackware specifically?

I've watched a few Youtube videos on the history of it and the advantages of it but I don't recall much. It seemed like a lot of people who had used Slackware a long time ago simply continuing to use Slackware and people using at as a learning tool because of how user involved it is.


Would you recommend people start with Slackware itself or a Slackware-based distro?

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 days ago

I wish I knew then that debbie does the trick for me

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 days ago

Read https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/System_maintenance before you go your first pacman -Syu

And when people tell you that you shouldn't use aur helpers like yay to blindly install/upgrade aur packages, there's a reason for it. Read the PKGBUILDs.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Those who are (wisely) suggesting snapshots, do you guys use a different partitions for data and OS? Because if you do revert to an older snapshot after a while, you'd loose new data, too (unless you recover it from current state)?

[–] PumpkinEscobar 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

archinstall's default btrfs layout has I think 4-5 separate subvolumes (I'm not running btrfs anymore so can't check) but at the very least I remember it has:

  • /
  • /var
  • /home

being separate subvolumes and mountpoints, you can just use a previous snapshot from 1 without rolling back others

Related to the snapshotting stuff, timeshift-autosnap is pretty helpful, hooks into pacman and takes a snapshot before installing/updating packages.

Personally I found btrfs and the snapshots helpful when starting to use arch, but now that I know how not to blow things up, it has been stable enough for me I just felt ext4 was easier.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago
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