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Donald Trump’s antics over the past week have put paid to the refrain, often heard in Europe, that the president should be taken “seriously but not literally”. It turns out that Trump literally wants Greenland. He doubled down on his aggressive rhetoric in a raging 45-minute call with the Danish prime minister, Mette Frederiksen, a few days ago, threatening crippling tariffs unless she agreed to sell the autonomous territory to the US. In response to Denmark’s sharp increase in military spending for the Arctic, including ships and drones, he derided Copenhagen’s “dog-sled” defences for Greenland, the world’s largest non-continental island, which pale in comparison with the strength of the US military base there.

The threat to take over the territory of a European country by force is something that Europeans now know all too well. Russia has repeatedly threatened east European countries, making good on those threats by invading Georgia in 2008 and Ukraine since 2014. Yet many Europeans are gobsmacked that such a threat is now coming from its greatest ally.

That said, the reaction has been muted. The European Commission president, Ursula von der Leyen, and the European Council president, António Costa, have said nothing, while the French president, Emmanuel Macron, and the German chancellor, Olaf Scholz, while speaking out initially, have joined in the collective silence. What’s going on?

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[–] x00z 27 points 12 hours ago

What a bullshit article is this.

https://www.theguardian.com/profile/nathalie-tocci
That's quite some fearmongering.

[–] Theoriginalthon 67 points 15 hours ago (2 children)

Crippling tarrifs you say, a quick Google says Greenland export $36M to the US in 2022, which is basically nothing. And don't forget the people who pay the tarrifs are the American people not the country the tarrifs apply to. Just because someone says I want to buy that, it doesn't mean it's for sale. The only way the US will get Greenland is by invasion and occupation. So the EU response of ignoring the giant toddler is probably the correct move.

[–] shaun 27 points 15 hours ago (2 children)

The tariffs would be on Denmark or even possibly Europe as a whole.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 13 hours ago

Trump might think he can strongarm Europe with tariffs, but we're much too big of an economy for that to work.

[–] Docus 26 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Probably tariffs on the entire EU. I don’t think tariffs on Denmark would work, as it’s trivial to route Danish exports to the US through another EU country.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 9 hours ago

Correct. He can't put a tariff specifically on Denmark at all. The only way to target Denmark specifically is by putting a tariff on goods that are exclusively made in Denmark. That would be a bad idea, since the main export to USA is medicine. The Americans are already moaning about the price of medicine, so it'll interesting to see their reaction if Trump raises the price further for no good reason.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 41 minutes ago) (1 children)

This. And by replying we would acknowledge that the subject has any matter. We say more with this silence.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Yes. Don't feed the troll. A lot more people need to learn this.

[–] TheBat 2 points 10 hours ago

This troll it's fed enough, when is diabetes going to do its job?

[–] PunnyName 37 points 15 hours ago

Dictator day 1

He's been declaring war without using that actual word. But history has showed time and again this is literally war.

I fucking hate that man.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 14 hours ago (3 children)

It'll be funny if this is how WWIII starts and we get EU + China vs US + Russia.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) (1 children)

Living in Europe, I'm more concerned about it being US+Russia+China against the EU at this point. All the dictators have common goal of destroying democracy.

[–] Mrkawfee 24 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Both Putin and Trump want to break up the EU so they can pick off individual countries.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 hours ago
[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 hours ago

What a twist, the movies write themselves.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 13 hours ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 2 points 12 hours ago
[–] [email protected] 0 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Nothing good has ever come from just trying to ignore a bully.

[–] SmoothOperator 27 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

No-one is ignoring him. The Danish diplomacy corps is on high alert, and tons of effort is going into both securing support from Europe and trying to talk the US down.

They just don't do diplomacy through Twitter. Public mud-throwing is Trump's game, no need to fight him on his terms.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

There is a need to fight tho. I understand the world is used to using diplomacy first, but if the last few years has taught us anything it should be that current rulers the world over don't listen to it at all. They want what they want and will take it no matter the cost.

Trump has learned all he needs to know from Putin.

[–] SmoothOperator 15 points 13 hours ago

It would be naïve to fully rely on the old way of diplomacy, but it would mean certain defeat to do business on the terms of authoritarians. Trump wants unilateral, flashy diplomacy, because that's where he wins. Small countries like Denmark need to work to bolster multilateral large-alliance rules based diplomacy, because that's where they win.

By not rising to the bait, but instead presenting a calm, unified European response that there is no way Trump can buy Greenland, but that they're happy to help him achieve whatever policy he's using to justify this invasion talk, they at least have a chance of staving him off long enough that the whole thing fizzles out.

This approach also makes it a lot harder for Trump to actually make good on his threats. He'll have to start a conflict with the whole EU, and he'll end up looking like a guy who pisses on a cooperative ally rather than the strong man who beats down uppity foreigners.

And yes, that's probably also fine by him, but it at least doesn't play into his hand.

[–] Mrkawfee 4 points 13 hours ago

And Netanyahu