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submitted 4 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) by Stamets to c/tenforward
 

And always gonna be. Go cry about it some more

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[–] marcos 11 points 4 days ago (4 children)

Why do people care about canon?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Because an expansive universe lore is enjoyable if it's coherent and there are stakes at play. If you consider the official canon, voyager as a series is pretty much to throw away, because the Federation would already have the technology to bring them home centuries ago. And yes, many times the writers played around the concept in good ways to not make Discovery a ridicolously overpowered ship, but it still suffers from big "Superman is so strong he can destroy a plenet with his mind" energy.

Can you make the whole series good with deus ex machina superpowers? I guess. Was the writing good enough for it? Absolutely not.

Yes, I am aware of the baby lizards warp 10 episode of Voyager, that should also be thrown away from canon as it makes no sense, but at least it was a whacky episode among many (and the showrunners ackowledged it) not the premise of an entire seriea.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 days ago

Headcannon all that matters

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[–] cm0002 10 points 4 days ago (1 children)

IMO they did a fantastic job reconciling why there's no mention of Discovery and it's fancy spore drive in the canon timeline. Launching them to the far future was probably the best decision

[–] negativenull 8 points 4 days ago (5 children)

I haven't yet seen the last season of Lower Decks, but apparently they make the claim that Discovery was set in an alternate universe.

https://cosmicbook.news/star-trek-discovery-erased-canon
https://www.giantfreakinrobot.com/ent/star-trek-erased.html

Again, I can't validate that, but have read those articles

[–] [email protected] 10 points 4 days ago (1 children)

That just seems like an intentional misinterpretation from someone who wants Discovery to be as non-canon as possible.

[–] negativenull 5 points 4 days ago

That's very possible

[–] Stamets 5 points 4 days ago (2 children)

I watched the episode. They didn't erase it. They clearly weren't paying attention.

The Klingons in our world evolved and look different from DSC onwards. The ones in the timeline they shifted to, do not. Simple as that. Made fairly clear with the other stuff about a Klingon sailing barge and what have you.

More whiny people just whining.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 days ago (5 children)

lol did you forget that you already posted this?

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[–] njm1314 4 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Is that the guy who was in rent?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 days ago

Yep. He plays a much larger role in DISC

[–] Dead_or_Alive 0 points 2 days ago

First couple of seasons were “ok”. But after the jump to the future the show became almost unwatchable.

Bad Trek is better than no Trek and the fact that this show spawned SNW gives it a pass in my book.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 days ago

Just like Matrix 2 and 3 didn't exist, Discovery does not exist either.

[–] RememberTheApollo_ 0 points 2 days ago

Just watched Section 31.

Guess AI crap gets to be canon now. Mercurial Scottish crazy Vulcan bots, too.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 days ago

I don't care about Canon. Every Trek has done silly things that are then included, or ignored, based on the next writers whims.

What did annoy me was that it became less and less fun to watch. Neither the scripts nor the sets and backgrounds felt like they where done by people who liked the general ideas and vibes of star trek. Or maybe they just didn't share my idea for star trek.

Pretty much only sticked around because I liked Stamments, Culber, and Adira. For all it's failings, I did feel they nailed representation.

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