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micromobility - Ebikes, scooters, longboards: Whatever floats your goat, this is micromobility

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Ebikes, bicycles, scooters, skateboards, longboards, eboards, motorcycles, skates, unicycles: Whatever floats your goat, this is all things micromobility!

"Transportation using lightweight vehicles such as bicycles or scooters, especially electric ones that may be borrowed as part of a self-service rental program in which people rent vehicles for short-term use within a town or city.

micromobility is seen as a potential solution to moving people more efficiently around cities"

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

This is one of those funny debates that have layers.

Grant that there are legitimate considerations that bicycle riders have about electric bicycles on trails. Similar concerns, perhaps, to the concerns raised about allowing gas motorized bikes in these trails.

Horse riders have been making the same complaints about bicycles for decades: that bicycles increase rutting, erosion, and that they're dangerous for people they share the trail with. Mountain bikes in particular have been a target of these complaints because they often ride on trails that normal bicyclists (but not horse riders) would avoid.

And, in turn, horse riders sometimes get push-back from pedestrians, who complain about manure and safety.

There's always someone bitching (justifiably or not) about someone else's conveyance. Motorcyclists are universally loathed, but they're not much worse than electric trail bikes, which are not much worse than electric mountain bikes, which are not much worse than mountain bikes... it really seems to boil down only to whether or not it's your hobby.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Equestrians really should have to use those horse poop bags. Seriously--we have to clean up a small dog poop and they don't have to clean up a gigantic pile of horse shit?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

To be fair, poop from herbivores isn't as much of a health issue as poop from omnivores and carnivores. And it also doesn't smell as bad, IMO.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Sure, but do you want to ride through it or step in it? Either way, you're dealing with shit. Everyone should have to clean up after themselves. Even humans are supposed to pack out their own shit when they go hiking or camping.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Out the three options mentioned so far, horse would bother me the least. Depending on the situation it might not bother me at all, honestly.

You city folk are too sensitive.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago

You're asking me if I want to step in horse poop? Sorry, I thought that was rhetorical. Of course not, but as I just explained, I also don't find it offensive. It's just not a big deal, unless I'm wearing nice shoes and pants.

[–] LowtierComputer 1 points 2 weeks ago

Huge difference in time to fall apart/be absorbed into the earth.

[–] mojofrododojo -1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

And it also doesn’t smell as bad, IMO

good for you, keep it to yourself.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

What? Most people seem to agree that horse poop isn't nearly as offensive as dog. In my experience, the only people who disagree are from the suburbs and have never been around horses or horse poop.

[–] mojofrododojo 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

horse shit and cow shit do smell. fuck you, I grew up around stockyards, acting like it doesn't smell is ridiculous.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

I never said it doesn't smell. I said the smell isn't offensive.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

It's not as offensive, but it is still offensive.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I don't think having to navigate shit on a trail is subjective. Nobody wants to do it.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago

This is a great example of what OP was describing in their last paragraph:

There's always someone bitching (justifiably or not) about someone else's conveyance. Motorcyclists are universally loathed, but they're not much worse than electric trail bikes, which are not much worse than electric mountain bikes, which are not much worse than mountain bikes... it really seems to boil down only to whether or not it's your hobby.

[–] mojofrododojo 0 points 2 weeks ago

you're clearly decided on it. trust me, some other people find it unpleasant.

[–] mojofrododojo -1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I said the smell isn’t offensive.

just say you like the smell of horse shit mate.

you do you, but don't try to sell me a load of BULLSHIT that horse shit doesn't smell. lol.

Then you try to front like "well if you EVER SMELLED it you'd find it lovely"

that's the shit that really sticks out. That's some goofy ass garbage.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I honestly never realized people felt this strongly about literal horse shit. Not just you, but other commenters too. Blows my mind.

[–] mojofrododojo -2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Blows my mind.

dunno what to say about people finding the smell of shit unpleasant. you realize this was like, a big deal, about a 120 years ago when cars became a thing right? People were happy to no longer have to dodge turds in the streets?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

You come across as really angry and bitter. Did someone make you eat horseshit as a kid? 😂

I like a faint smell of horse or cowshit, it's very countryside

[–] mojofrododojo -1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

haha I really like horses, I'm just not so delusional that I think people in general like the smell of horse shit. or anything's shit. Have you ever been in a stable?

I mean I think it's pretty bold on your part to assume the masses like the smell of shit. Even horse shit, which is I guess better than human shit sure, but damn. And cow shit too.

Angry and bitter because I don't huff cow chips. wow. People on the internet are hilarious.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Ah I see! So angry you didn't notice the username was different!

I'm off to snort a line of dried pigshit just to irk you

[–] mojofrododojo 0 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

no I noticed you're a different shitfan than the last shitfan.

you guys go to a club to huff the stuff huh? good you have a hobby I guess. it doesn't irk me, I'm glad you have something in your life besides advocating for the smell of horse shit.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago

Sounds like you need to go touch some grass.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

They are, they're VERY and annoyingly loud. All other options are almost silent.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

If you think those are bad for trails, you should see what ATVs do!

We have some beautiful rail trails that have become decimated by ATVs, so cycling on them isn't even possible unless you like the danger and frustration.

[–] mojofrododojo 3 points 2 weeks ago

and the noise issues from quads/motor bikes - they're fucking deafening

[–] SamboT 5 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Its up to the trail builders and maintainers what its designed to accommodate. Full stop.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Agreed: Make your own trail for ebikes/emoto, with blackjack and hookers! Whoever made/owns it is in charge of the rules, respect the track so everyone can use it.