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Bought a new brother laser printer (fuck hp inkjet), decided to print something on Windows. Typical Windows could detect the printer even though it shows up in the network section as a device. Downloads and install barebone driver from brother website still refuses to work. Logged in to Linux mint 1 second later "New Brother DCP-L235DW printer has been added". I wasted more than half an hour trying to print something on Windows and on Linux didn't even need a single click to configure the printer.

I dont use Linux much, but when it come to Linux it just works without doing anything (atleast on mint).

Just want say how Windows sucks, even my phone was able to print without additional software.

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[–] vikingtons 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] undrwater 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Not a fan of Apple products, but I really do appreciate their maintaining the CUPS project.

[–] vikingtons 2 points 1 year ago
[–] mvirts 2 points 1 year ago

I mean yeah I guess I'll appreciate them for that just don't forget about easy software products :) https://web.archive.org/web/20070109004135/http://www.cups.org/book/intro.php

[–] j4k3 10 points 1 year ago

They are very different kernels. Just to be clear the kernal is an abstraction layer that, among other things, translates machine code that your physical hardware speaks to a set of high level commands any software can interact with. This means your software does not need to be written for each new piece of hardware.

The Linux kernel is monolithic. It means everything is included in each kernel. The kernel must be configured so that you have access to the right modules you need in order to run your hardware configuration. This is usually done by the distribution packager. They try to configure a kernel that will work for the vast majority of users.

Problems with the Linux kernel generally involve people running old kernels packaged with LTS distributions when they have bleeding edge or obscure hardware. The other issues involve hardware that is rented at retail pricing. "Rented" because it is undocumented to exploit the end consumer through planned obsolescence or contains stollen, or poorly written code the company does not wish to reveal. It really means they have stollen ownership with digital exploitation. These products are often reverse engineered to work with Linux, but you results may vary. The best practice is to buy from honest companies.

By contrast, Windows is a microkernel. It only includes a very basic kernel layer and all of the drivers must be added later. Microsoft makes it easy to exploit people with garbage hardware and doesn't need to deal with maintaining the driver compatibility like Linux does. Instead they just specify a basic interface and let the end vendor do whatever they want. Windows is actually far far smaller than Linux. The whole world runs on Linux. Windows is just a consumer exploitation system. The support code base is a joke compared to Linux, but it is a system designed to make dependant users that do not understand how an operating system works at any level.

[–] Synthead 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The vendor's choice of hardware licensing, software licensing, and effort to work with the mainline kernel plays big roles in this compatibility. You almost never hear about Linux having a problem with Intel graphics, but you do with Nvidia. You also almost never hear about issues with Intel 802.11 cards, but you do with Realtek.

It's not Linux's fault, really. If you have a bad neighbor distributing proprietary stuff that completely refuses to add support or work with you, the next worst step is having users that scapegoat Linux and blame it for not supporting said hardware.

Thankfully, there has been a big push for Linux compatibility lately, so things have gotten better, even with closed hardware and proprietary vendor blob drivers. But it is often a nightmare of licensing issues, often produces unstable or poor-performing drivers, and the effort to make it work better often lands on Linux, not the vendor.

Look at this post. Not once was the license of the Brother or HP drivers discussed. Do you know what they are? Are the sources available? Are you running blobs? Was the support reverse engineered by users, or offered by the vendors? Before your moment of appreciation, you should take two steps back and look at the big picture.

While Linux runs on approximately 2% of workstations as of this writing, it is the dominant platform that runs the Internet, and is often the operating system of choice for embedded platforms. A long time ago, Linux support was mostly fostered by volunteers, but we often see hardware support as something a responsible vendor would maintain now.

But that said, I really do appreciate the ease of Linux support. DKMS has helped this significantly, too. Most of the flow is to install a package and possibly reboot. The kind people of your operating system, the strong and persistent efforts of kernel maintainers, and possibility the work done by vendors has made Linux compatibility an act of grace when everything falls in place.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

I have an HP printer, unfortunately, but it is what it is.

Linux prints and scans no problem, setup was as easy as picking the printer from the list.

The windows laptop kicking around here will not. No matter what I try, I cannot make it work.

[–] PassiveLemon 5 points 1 year ago

Dude my random ass Ubuntu vms will instantly see the printer and work but first party apps for HP printers in Windows will struggle. Crazy

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

I had a similar situation.

I had an old laser printer that was officially unsupported on OS X. Meaning that they had a driver for OS X for a similar model, but not exactly the same model, that supposedly worked for it, but they deliberately did not let you use it with my model of printer. Found some crazy instructions online that told you to install the drivers, then change the driver with a hex editor to force it to recognize your printer as a different model. It worked, occasionally, intermittently. I spend like half a week trying to get it to work under OS X and it just wouldn't work reliably.

Tried a Windows computer. Wasted half a day installing a driver, uninstalling a driver, plugging in, unplugging, turning on, turning off, but it just couldn't recognize it.

Booted into Linux and hit "print" and it worked perfectly. Didn't even need to install a driver.

[–] RovingFox 4 points 1 year ago

From personal experience both have those moments. A year ago I was using this wifi stick for my PC on Windows, it was working natively, just plug in and there, wifi. On linux, oh boy, spend hours to make it work, eventually found a random driver made by a random user on github that finally worked.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

Have a relative that just got a new laptop with Windows 11, but their printer wouldn't work with it. It was a fairly old thing, but it worked fine on Windows 10. Turns out, the manufacturer no longer distributes the driver directly, and instead just shares it through Windows Update, which would be super convenient, except the driver is only listed for Windows 10 devices, and won't install on Windows 11. So dumb.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Me and my family are still using a (let's call it) vintage HP LaserJet 1100 connected to an HP JetDirect connected to a wifi router. Hey, it works, why throw away a perfectly good printer just because it's old?

The other day I tried to print from a Windows 10 machine. After much searching of drivers on the internet and pulling of hairs, I gave up and copied the file to my Linux box and printed from there.

The point I'm making is that your hardware will have a longer support life with Linux.

[–] excitingburp 2 points 1 year ago

Printers have always been an issue, especially recently. They love their home-grown (likely inaccessible, I might add) UIs. We had an HP and it was a complete shitshow - the Windows driver would crash whatever app invoked the print dialog for the second time. HP suggested installing their app from the Microsoft store - absolute garbage as you might imagine.

Shit worked flawlessly with Linux.

I replaced the heap of steaming shit with a Xerox Laser printer. Given their corporate background they have less weird shit going on, and that did pay off for my wife's Windows machine. Oh boy, is it still so much more reliable under Linux. I need to install a PPD, which means digging into the CUPS management and things could definitely use improvement there (it works flawlessly, but it's confusing and ugly).

Scanning is sometimes a little hit-and-miss though.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I just moved and I was literally in shock when Mint auto-added my Dads printer INSTANTLY and I printed on it first try no problem. I have literally had so many issues with printers (and this one) and I honestly expected printing to be out of the question on Linux so I'm definitely impressed.