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[–] BeMoreCareful 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] BrokenGlepnir 3 points 1 day ago

I was hoping that this was the video pointing out some flaws in the Prager u video, and not the Prager video. When going to the college students he's got the tape on the outside of his fake moustache right? Then he talks to people in Mexico and he's put more effort into it? I am usually careful with watching street interviews too. You don't usually know the context.

[–] glassware 16 points 1 day ago (1 children)

20 years ago I had white-boy dreadlocks. African-American Christians told me it was cultural appropriation. Jamaican Rastafarians would stop me in the street to share their weed and offer me a ride.

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[–] [email protected] 84 points 2 days ago (14 children)

Cultural appropriation is a broad enough term to functionally be meaningless, but I've found it helpful to think through 4 distinct interests at play, that I think are legitimate:

Proper attribution/credit. We don't like plagiarism or unattributed copying in most art. Remixes, homages, reinterpretations, and even satire/parody are acceptable but we expect proper treatment of the original author and the original work. Some accusations of cultural appropriation take on this flavor, where there's a perceived unfairness in how the originator of an idea is ignored and some copier is given credit. For a real world example of this, think of the times the fans of a particular musical artist get annoyed when a cover of one of that artist's song becomes bigger than the original.

Proper labeling/consumer disclosure/trademark. Some people don't like taking an established name and applying it outside of that original context. European nations can be pretty aggressive at preserving the names of certain wines (champagne versus sparkling wine) or cheeses (parmigiano reggiano versus parmesan) or other products. American producers are less aggressive about those types of geographic protected labels but have a much more aggressive system of trademarks generally: Coca Cola, Nike, Starbucks. In a sense, there's literal ownership of a name and the owner should be entitled to decide what does or doesn't get the label.

Cheapening of something special or disrespect for something sacred. For certain types of ceremonial clothing, wearing that clothing outside of the context of that ceremony seems disrespectful. Military types sometimes get offended by stolen valor when people wear ranks/ribbons/uniforms they haven't personally earned, and want to gatekeep who gets to wear those things. In Wedding Crashers there's a scene where Will Ferrell puts on a fake purple heart to try to get laid, and it's widely understood by the audience to be a scummy move. Or, one could imagine the backlash if someone were to host some kind of drinking contest styled after some Christian communion rituals, complete with a host wearing stuff that looks like clergy attire.

Mockery of a group. Blackface, fake accents, and things of that nature are often in bad taste when used to mock people. It's hard to pull this off without a lot of people catching strays, so it's best to just avoid these practices. With costumes in general, there are things to look out for, especially if you're going out and getting smashed.

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 day ago (13 children)

I don’t think it’s offensive, but if you’re wearing that just to make a point then maybe you’re just looking to offend people. This is less directed to the comic and more directed to the YouTube clips I have seen of similar scenario.

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[–] [email protected] 54 points 2 days ago (8 children)

It's called White Savior Complex.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil 32 points 2 days ago (9 children)

When I was growing up in the 80s and some frat-bro types ran around town dressed like the Three Amigos while swilling beers and fumbling their Spanish, parents and teachers would call it "tacky" and "annoying" and "juvenile".

Now, in the 20s, the children of those frat-bros puts on the same outfit and does the same stupid shit. But their peers are the ones rolling their eyes and telling them that they don't look cool, while the parents clap and take pictures and get off on a romanticized youth lived vicariously through their frat-bro kids.

So the frat-bros become resentful. They go home, pull out their crayons, and make up a naked brown man to give them permission to behave miserably. And then they go on podcasts and make Instagram reels explaining how - um, aktuly - if you don't think the tourist-trap Spirit Halloween tier get-up I'm wearing on Cinco-De-Drinko to celebrate getting wasted is cool, you're the real racists.

Then Budwiser releases an "Authentic Mexican Logger" and the same frat-bros lose their fucking minds because their favorite beer company just Went Woke.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

Cinco-De-Drinko - yeah that's a quick yoink, just so we're clear I will not be citing my sources

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[–] [email protected] 67 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (7 children)

Using "cultural appropriation" to drag down regular people is kind of pointless, like freaking out at someone for putting the wrong recyclable type of plastic trash in the garbage.

Cultural appropriation matters at the corporate level, where media shapes what regular people do. Do you want to talk about cultural appropriation? Talk about Disney, talk about Hollywood, talk about Jeep Cherokee, and Decathlon Quechua. To keep with the recycling analogy: your problem shouldn't be ordinary people messing up their trash sorting, it should be vendors mass producing plastic trash for everything.

[–] IndustryStandard 3 points 1 day ago

Indeed. The author of the comic misrepresents it as appreciating another culture. But really it is intentionally misrepresenting or stealing a culture. Like black Cleopatra. Or Israeli Hummus.

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[–] madcaesar 62 points 2 days ago (26 children)

Complaining about sharing cultures IS racism. These idiots complaining about cultural appropriation have gone too far up their own ass.

Melding, sharing food clothing and customs makes everyone better! These bullshit micro divisions need to stop.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It's kinda funny when some crazies are asking to see your family tree and genealogy sample to know if it's alright for you to wear a certain piece of clothing.

Let's observe the chart

[–] dejected_warp_core 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Oh good grief. Of course the Nazis had a chart. I hardly know any German, but there sure is a lot of "verboten" on that.

Makes me wonder if there was a similar thing for Jim Crow laws in the deep south.

[–] RunawayFixer 4 points 1 day ago

They had an official "one-drop rule", so no need for a chart I guess. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-drop_rule

[–] [email protected] 27 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Sharing culture isn't cultural appropriation.

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[–] aeronmelon 188 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Snowflakes: "It is offensive for a westerner to wear a Japanese kimono. You are not Japanese!"

Native Japanese: "We insist you wear this kimono so you feel like part of the group."

Based on a true story.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

When you deprive examples of context you do a disservice to the point.

If a Japanese person asks you explicitly to wear a kimono, then yes of course you wear a kimono. There isn’t a progressive/leftist/etc. in the world who would disagree with that.

Edit: Also who non-ironically uses the term “snowflake”? Very lame and predictable

[–] lurklurk 62 points 2 days ago (25 children)

The concept of cultural appropriation seems to be pretty useless in practice.

The cases I've encountered where it makes some bit of sense fit better under the concepts of racism or exploitation. The complaints about cultural appropriation online seem to more often attack innocent behaviour or someone genuinely appreciating another culture.

Drink tea, make tacos, wear a kimono, don't be an asshole

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[–] Sterile_Technique 99 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Lol, reminds me of one of the Mario games a while back - no idea what the context was, but Mario took on different personas, which I'm assuming gave him abilities specific to whatever 'form' he took kinda like Kirby.

Anywho, one of them was a Mexican theme, which made Mario don a sombrero and poncho. Lots of touchy white people on the internet were PISSED cuz how could Nintendo be so insensitive to the Mexican culture?!

...meanwhile, Mexican gamers were fucking ecstatic cuz HOLY SHIT MARIO'S WEARING A SOMBRERO! LET'S GOOOOOO!!!

Good times.

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[–] [email protected] 170 points 2 days ago (21 children)

Cultural appropriation is when you take something sacred or special and don't treat it with respect. Sombreros and parkas are just clothes.

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[–] [email protected] 63 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (12 children)

Culture is meant to be shared, as long as you're respectful and you're not caricaturing or mocking the culture you're trying to portray, most people from said culture would be flattered.

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[–] Shardikprime 106 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (52 children)

Literally no Latin American is going to be bothered Or annoyed in any way whatsoever if you don typical dresses of their culture.

We love our culture and love it even more when we influence gringos to dress as our ancestors did.

The joy is palpable. It makes you part of the family. And that's plenty

Besides, no one here knows what the deal is with getting offended on behalf of someone else. If anyone has a problem, they speak up their minds.

Slurs? Motherfückêr, that's half our language.

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