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[–] Philharmonic3 62 points 1 day ago (4 children)

It's actually called zoning reform. Bring back neighborhood grocery stores you can walk to. Before I experienced it, I never thought about how convenient it is to walk less than 5 minutes to a grocery store almost every day and do little grocery trips instead of bit multi-bag struggles.

[–] [email protected] 36 points 1 day ago (6 children)

Bring back neighborhood grocery stores you can walk to.

This is actually probably more a federal antitrust/competition law thing than a local zoning thing. Otherwise it wouldn't have happened nationwide. I found this article to be pretty persuasive:

Food deserts are not an inevitable consequence of poverty or low population density, and they didn’t materialize around the country for no reason. Something happened. That something was a specific federal policy change in the 1980s. It was supposed to reward the biggest retail chains for their efficiency. Instead, it devastated poor and rural communities by pushing out grocery stores and inflating the cost of food. Food deserts will not go away until that mistake is reversed.

. . .

Congress responded in 1936 by passing the Robinson-Patman Act. The law essentially bans price discrimination, making it illegal for suppliers to offer preferential deals and for retailers to demand them. It does, however, allow businesses to pass along legitimate savings. If it truly costs less to sell a product by the truckload rather than by the case, for example, then suppliers can adjust their prices accordingly—just so long as every retailer who buys by the truckload gets the same discount.

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During the decades when Robinson-Patman was enforced—part of the broader mid-century regime of vigorous antitrust—the grocery sector was highly competitive, with a wide range of stores vying for shoppers and a roughly equal balance of chains and independents. In 1954, the eight largest supermarket chains captured 25 percent of grocery sales. That statistic was virtually identical in 1982, although the specific companies on top had changed. As they had for decades, Americans in the early 1980s did more than half their grocery shopping at independent stores, including both single-location businesses and small, locally owned chains. Local grocers thrived alongside large, publicly traded companies such as Kroger and Safeway.

With discriminatory pricing outlawed, competition shifted onto other, healthier fronts. National chains scrambled to keep up with independents’ innovations, which included the first modern self-service supermarkets, and later, automatic doors, shopping carts, and loyalty programs. Meanwhile, independents worked to match the chains’ efficiency by forming wholesale cooperatives, which allowed them to buy goods in bulk and operate distribution systems on par with those of Kroger and A&P. A 1965 federal study that tracked grocery prices across multiple cities for a year found that large independent grocers were less than 1 percent more expensive than the big chains. The Robinson-Patman Act, in short, appears to have worked as intended throughout the mid-20th century.

Then it was abandoned. In the 1980s, convinced that tough antitrust enforcement was holding back American business, the Reagan administration set about dismantling it. The Robinson-Patman Act remained on the books, but the new regime saw it as an economically illiterate handout to inefficient small businesses. And so the government simply stopped enforcing it.

That move tipped the retail market in favor of the largest chains, who could once again wield their leverage over suppliers, just as A&P had done in the 1930s. Walmart was the first to fully grasp the implications of the new legal terrain. . . . Kroger, Safeway, and other supermarket chains followed suit. . . . Then, in the 1990s, they embarked on a merger spree. In just two years, Safeway acquired Vons and Dominick’s, while Fred Meyer absorbed Ralphs, Smith’s, and Quality Food Centers, before being swallowed by Kroger. The suspension of the Robinson-Patman Act had created an imperative to scale up.

A massive die-off of independent retailers followed. Squeezed by the big chains, suppliers were forced to offset their losses by raising prices for smaller retailers, creating a “waterbed effect” that amplified the disparity. Price discrimination spread beyond groceries, hobbling bookstores, pharmacies, and many other local businesses. From 1982 to 2017, the market share of independent retailers shrank from 53 percent to 22 percent.

The whole thing is worth reading.

[–] Alwaysnownevernotme 12 points 1 day ago

Genuinely high quality post.

And yet another Reagan roast.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 day ago

Wow, one more thing to thank Reagan for that I was unaware of. Thank you for the link.

[–] trashgirlfriend 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It's definitely both.

If you can't have smaller grocery stores in neighborhoods due to zoning laws, what will be left is bigger stores which are going to be generally operated by large corporations.

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[–] AnUnusualRelic 8 points 1 day ago

In the US you'd be arrested for unlawful walking in a car only area, or something.

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 day ago

This dude jokes but when I lived in Harlem I’d take the subway to Columbus circle Whole Foods as it was significantly easier than commuting to the east side on 125 to pathmark.

[–] Noodle07 18 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] seejur 6 points 1 day ago (5 children)

Wait until they hear about the Bus. But probably is for the best they don't, their head would explode at the thought

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[–] [email protected] 66 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Greg is gonna shit on the floor when he'll learn that happens everywhere in Europe.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

In socialist Europe, I walk to the groceries, comrade... I take 15min train ride from home to work in the city center... and I wait no longer than 5 minutes on train because that's its frequency.. but I have no car...

[–] [email protected] 5 points 22 hours ago

Damn it must suck to live in such terrible conditions

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 day ago

Working from home is the only way to really beat traffic.

No congestion at all. Not even an overcrowded train.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 day ago (6 children)

People really need to commute for groceries? Like, I have the store 1 block away. Americans don't know they can walk?

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Food deserts are a thing https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Food_desert

They impact millions of people.

Yeah, it's fucked up.

[–] supercriticalcheese 14 points 1 day ago (13 children)

Most Americans leave too far away from any supermarket, even if there were roads that could take you there, either by walking or cycling.

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[–] [email protected] 84 points 1 day ago (4 children)

The best is when the grocery stores are so close that you don't need a car or a train. Japan does it right. You can always walk to at least one grocery store.

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[–] [email protected] 134 points 1 day ago (6 children)

Many cities at one time had trolley service which did local point to point connection. Then they were forced out because there was more profit in growing car dependency.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago

There were forced out because they had to pay for the road surface but vehicles could use it for free and cause damage. They also would block the trolley because people have always been assholes.

More importantly they had contracts with the cities with set fares and the cities wouldn't let them increase the fares so they went bankrupt. source

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[–] [email protected] 123 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Yeah right, let me just walk to the supermarket XD

is back in 25 minutes with bag of grocceries

:o

[–] [email protected] 71 points 1 day ago (5 children)

"I don't want to carry bags all that way!"

Here. Take a backpack.

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[–] Duamerthrax 12 points 1 day ago

"boss battle"

So fucking cringe.

[–] [email protected] 97 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

1: I've taken the metro to get groceries loads of times

2: Trams

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[–] TheBat 17 points 1 day ago

Woke agenda:

Legs, Gondolas, Buses, Trams

[–] kerrigan778 27 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yeah there's this thing called LIGHT RAIL, but even heavy rail, the NYC subway and BART are actually both heavy rail transit systems that one could absolutely casually take to the grocery store.

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[–] [email protected] 56 points 1 day ago (5 children)

If you have to take a train to the grocery, that's a failure in local planning and a business opportunity. That said, not every store has everything and I, too, have taken a train to the grocery store for fancier/rarer things.

In some parts of rural Japan, we also have a grocery truck carrying staples and things you requested the last time they came from the actual store. This is a huge lifeline to some rural elderly people, but I don't see why it couldn't be more broadly applied in other areas.

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