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Can anyone succinctly explain communism? Everything I've read in the past said that the state owns the means of production and in practice (in real life) that seems to be the reality. However I encountered a random idiot on the Internet that claimed in communism, there is no state and it is a stateless society. I immediately rejected this idea because it was counter to what I knew about communism irl. In searching using these keywords, I came across the ideas that in communism, it does strive to be a stateless society. So which one is it? If it's supposed to be a stateless society, why are all real-life forms of communism authoritarian in nature?

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[–] GrammarPolice 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)
[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago

why are all real-life forms of communism authoritarian in nature?

most likely due to "power syndrome"

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago

Several communes in the us have evisted which look very socialist - they all died out as the children didn't share the parents ideals. (most died out as marx was publishing his theories - as such all had differences from what marx proposed)

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

The usual rhetoric is that you shouldn't look at the dozens of examples, and their consequences (1). Rather focus on the theory, and agree that that theory is perfect. And also that anything else is bad. Unless it's an attempt at being communist, then the bad things aren't bad. Unless they are undeniably bad, but in that case, it isn't real communism.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago

Anyone wanting a deeper dive, check out the books and videos of Professor Richard D. Wolff.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago

I find with things like this everyone has a slightly different view. Its like if someone mentions socialism some folks will say its not really socialism unless its like full on communism but others look at socialism as the other end of a spectrum with socialism and how a country operates is somewhere on the line. Some people think anarchy means everyone does what they want and others view it as very local democratic communities with no central authority. I have encountered folks who view something like the term social contract to only be applicable to how one writer spoke about it as opposed to a general concept.

[–] marcos 1 points 1 week ago (3 children)

One of those is the ideal version that Marx described as the ultimate goal and that can never be made by humans anyway because humans just don't behave like that. The other one is what you actually get if you follow the Marx Manifesto and his idea of an "intermediate state" that could bring you to the end goal. (And if you go compare it with plain OG Fascism, both look way too much alike.)

There are other things called "communism", both the word and the concept are way older than Marx. There are even ideas that begun in that umbrella but we don't actually group in any singular concept, and instead are "just the way things are" nowadays.

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