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[–] FlyingSquid 21 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Tech bros really never got the idea that cyberpunk is a genre of dystopian fiction.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (3 children)

You're confusing the people who wrote the code with the product (business) team that decided they could monetize it. Engineers in large companies have zero creative control, and the people who do look more like wall street finance bros than the guys on silicon valley. Not that they don't also suck, but please get why they suck.

Tech bros refers to a misogynistic behavior within tech circles and especially software development tied to traditional ideas that women can't be technical because their vaginas get in the way. As a secondary bonus this leads to women trying to crush other women.

[–] HowManyNimons 5 points 4 days ago

What if tech bros could be considered bad for two reasons?

[–] FlyingSquid 3 points 4 days ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (5 children)

Because I see you skipped the first search result I'll put this here for you https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brogrammer

Here is the third https://yourstory.com/2024/05/tech-bro-mindset-culture-decoded

You're blaming the toxic worker for the differently toxic management decisions.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 days ago

Bro but why would you blame management, ie decisions makers within corpo structure, when you could be blaming the wagie...

Not very capitalist of you, mate!

[–] Siegfried 4 points 4 days ago (2 children)

It's a dystopic for us, for them it is the bright future

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

...because they think they'll be on the profiteering side.

And they think that the profiteering side still works like how it does today.

[–] FlyingSquid 3 points 4 days ago

Then they need to read/watch more closely, because it isn't all that bright for the people at the top either.

[–] [email protected] 59 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Chaos Communication Congress is such a cool event... 🇩🇪🇩🇪🇩🇪

Last year, they hacked a train to prove that the manufacturing company wrote code that fully locks the train when it arrives at rival repair shops.

[–] RamenDame 16 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I just watched the video. It is again a great and understandable talk, even for someone who has little technical knowledge. They also subtitle all their videos in English. I recommend it to everyone.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 4 days ago

Isn't this very illegal in the EU?

Can we please start criminally punishing the execs that signed off on this?

There is an enormous problem with companies just knowingly and willingly breaking the law, taking the fines as cost of business

[–] [email protected] 16 points 4 days ago (4 children)

It's a well known privacy issue to those who care about privacy. It’s Official: Cars Are Terrible at Privacy and Security

The good news is that it this information will eventually reach the insurance companies. That should help with terrible car drivers getting some incentives and disincentives to not suck so much.

Automakers Are Sharing Consumers’ Driving Behavior With Insurance Companies - The New York Times

If you want freedom, you get a bicycle.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Nah, it'll just make insurance more expensive and allow them to have more excuses to deny claims. Giving insurance companies more data to work with is never a good thing.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 days ago

Deny claims and raise the premium.

Don't want to deal with car insurance? Help end car dependency.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

You can probably assume every device with satnav and an internet connection is doing this.

And those 20 pages of text you scrolled to the bottom of without reading in order to click the OK button to get the directions to the nearest McDonalds gives them every right to do so.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 5 days ago (4 children)

What models have they tracked?

[–] [email protected] 30 points 5 days ago (15 children)

all their electric cars

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 5 days ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 14 points 5 days ago

It doesn't say 'new'. It says in both the source tweet and linked event scheduling description 'electric cars'. Not new, not all... electric.

[–] IndustryStandard 3 points 4 days ago

Electric cars are more associated with smart junk but most of it is in newer ICE cars as well. What engine the car has is of little relevance to the computer system.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (2 children)

In the now-released video, he mentions that it's all the cars that use the MED-platform, which happens to be electric cars.

Specifically, he mentions these models:

  • VW ID.3, ID.4, ID.5, ID.7
  • Skoda Enyaq
  • Audi Q4 e-tron
  • Seat Cupra Born

I don't know, if this is a comprehensive list.

It's mentioned around 3:30 in the video.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Hard to know as the whole presentation hasn't been released yet, for now only people who were in the conference room would know.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

Let's be real, any VW cars with a head unit with maps capabilities and a SIM card are certainly tracked down. Why would it be limited to electric drivetrain cars only? There's no GPS in the motors... It's in the head unit

[–] dojan 17 points 5 days ago (1 children)

This echoes my thought. A friend of mine had a petrol driven Golf from like 2019 or so with an app he could use to access it. I think it had a GPS built in, so I don’t see why VW wouldn’t have been able to record that.

Car manufacturers don’t face nearly enough scrutiny or regulation as they ought.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 days ago

Very powerful lobby in a lot of countries.

[–] HowManyNimons 2 points 4 days ago

Pretty much all objects with Internet connections that aren't running FOSS top-to-bottom.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Is there a company yet that let's me pay them to internet disconnect and rip out sensors on a modern car?

I recognize that its a tricky process, but since the Mozilla report, it seems like there's a market for it. I'd happily pay $5k for a privacy-mod to an electric vehicle.

[–] ChapulinColorado 14 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (2 children)

You misspelled: “I will happily re-elect and maybe donate to someone that will vote against this bullshit use of people’s data.”

Edit: my point is no one should be subject to this BS regardless of how much they can pay.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 days ago (1 children)

No

I don't want this data to exist

That's different from controlling use

[–] HowManyNimons 3 points 4 days ago

Either way, it's better not to force people to pay to keep their privacy.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 days ago

Money votes better, it's 2024.

[–] Jimmycakes 4 points 4 days ago

They collect every single thing from how many times you open your door to how fast you drive

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Teaching sand to think was a mistake

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 days ago

hahahaha toldya x50

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 days ago

Das Dumbass

[–] [email protected] 10 points 5 days ago

For your own good, boy

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 days ago

I am so glad my car was made just before all this massive enshittification.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Somebody made it public explicitly because S3 buckets are private by default. So I guess some of their components needed to be able to read it and they didn't have the skills or time/money to do it in a more fine-grained way.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Surprisingly little in Turkey

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