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Ukraine’s 13th National Guard Brigade conducted its first all-robot assault, using ground and aerial drones to clear Russian positions in Kharkiv Oblast.

The operation involved surveillance, explosive, and gun-armed robots, demonstrating Ukraine’s advanced military robotics.

While robots excel in surveillance and attack, their limitations in holding ground, particularly against jamming and maintenance challenges, underscore the continued importance of human infantry.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 39 minutes ago* (last edited 39 minutes ago)

Yeah, it's happening.

A few years ago, I was tripping and had this idea that the future of war would essentially be conducted by nerds controlling robots in command centers, far away from the actual conflict.

The thing is, once the war was lost, the nerds would know that the enemy robots are going to come crashing through their walls at any moment to tear at their fleshy bits.

[–] FlyingSquid 10 points 3 hours ago

This is the first bold step toward fighting wars the way God intended: with giant robots on the moon.

[–] Brainsploosh 23 points 10 hours ago (3 children)

The article discusses an unarmored Russian assault, nothing new about drone warfare.

[–] MicroWave 6 points 5 hours ago

Thanks. I’ve fixed the link.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 hours ago

Might be the wrong article or the title is wrong

[–] EleventhHour 0 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago) (5 children)

I very much like Ukraine and hope they win. I cheer them on for every victory I hear about.

But this robot soldier bullshit is something I really fucking hate.

Once you remove the human cost of war, you remove any motivation to stop war. I learned this as a kid from Star Trek S01E23 - A Taste of Armageddon

[–] FourPacketsOfPeanuts 6 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Once you remove the human cost of war

Economic cost is still a reason to end a war. Sure, it may go on longer, but are we talking about a situation where less people get killed?

[–] EleventhHour -1 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

It’s hard to talk about an economic cost when the war is being paid for by Europe in the United States.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 minutes ago (1 children)

It is not fundamentally difficult to add and subtract numbers, regardless of where those numbers originate from. It may take longer and look more complicated with bigger numbers, but it's just as easy.

[–] EleventhHour 1 points 3 minutes ago* (last edited 3 minutes ago)

Well, then, why don’t you produce the numbers that you used to reach your conclusion. Speaking authoritatively as you are, you obviously must have them at hand.

I’d like to see those data and come to my own conclusion.

[–] FlyingSquid 3 points 3 hours ago

Firstly, Ukraine is fighting an invading force by a ruthless dictator and they're outgunned. Taking the moral high ground and refusing to use the latest technology is the worst possible idea.

Secondly, there was still a human cost. Just not on the Ukrainian side.

Thirdly, they absolutely have a motivation to stop: when Russia leaves.

Fourthly, you need to re-watch that episode because it was about the Cold War. The idea was two equal powers were fighting a war that wouldn't end and no one was the invading party because there was no invasion.

[–] caoimhinr 23 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

You'll be glad to hear tens of thousands of people have already died in this war then, including innocent men, women and children. Many were tortured and/or raped first. So the human cost is absolutely massive already. No amount of robots can undo it. Hope to have eased your fears a bit.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 7 hours ago

I hear your point loud and clear, even if some people don’t. Using anonymous killing machines also removes the danger to whomever controls the robots.

Veterans come home and talk about the horrors of war. Robots don’t.

[–] jrs100000 9 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Im not really sure how you think this is going to work. Do you think people like Putin care how many provincial kids he sends to their death? Maybe his oligarch buddies lay awake at night pondering the terrible human cost of their actions, considering all the compromises they might be willing to make in order alleviate this terrible suffering? Maybe the people of Moscow are just a few hundred thousand more pointless deaths away from saying enough is enough, and dragging their leaders into the streets?