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We hop in the car to get groceries or drop kids at school. But while the car is convenient, these short trips add up in terms of emissions, pollution and petrol cost.

Close to half (44%) of all Australian commuter trips are by car – and under 10km. Of Perth’s 4.2 million daily car trips, 2.8 million are for distances of less than 2km.

This is common in wealthier countries. In the United States, a staggering 60% of all car trips cover less than 10km.

So what’s the best solution? You might think switching to an electric vehicle is the natural step. In fact, for short trips, an electric bike or moped might be better for you – and for the planet. That’s because these forms of transport – collectively known as electric micromobility – are cheaper to buy and run.

But it’s more than that – they are actually displacing four times as much demand for oil as all the world’s electric cars at present, due to their staggering uptake in China and other nations where mopeds are a common form of transport.

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[–] [email protected] 39 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

Bikes would be even more popular if we had decent infrastructure to accommodate them in the US. It's almost like gambling with your life to ride around here with narrow dilapidated sidewalks and bike lanes wedged in between lanes where giant F150s and SUVs roam.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 weeks ago

Same here in small town California. From constant flats to dodging giant trucks you put your life on the line every time you hop on your bike.

[–] AngryCommieKender 9 points 2 weeks ago

I am extremely lucky to live a block away from the South Bay bike trail. I can take that thing to the trolley and not see cars. Between the trolley and my E-bike, I basically only use my EV if I'm picking up a friend.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Bicycles dont belong on sidewalks. You're more visible on the road. Its safer.

[–] TheSambassador 9 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Really depends on the road. Try biking on the road in Texas or Florida.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Ive cycled from Key West to Jacksonville. Its safer in the road. Wear a yellow or orange vest.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

It makes perfect sense, AND if micro-mobility includes human powered vehicles, and walking then we can reduce oil demand even more. We're building a culture of micro-mobility, and that's awesome.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 weeks ago

Damn right! This is where induced demand comes in: better sidewalks and dedicated bike/scooter lanes will make this happen even faster.

[–] 2pt_perversion 17 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Unfortunately where I live small electric scooters qualify as a motorcycle but also can't be registered making them de facto illegal for transportation. The laws haven't quite caught up everywhere.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] DamienGramatacus 4 points 2 weeks ago

Not sure about where the commenter you replied to is from but that is the case here in the UK.

It's very frustrating that the UK government can't catch up with the many other countries.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago

What about electric push bike?

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 weeks ago

The USA needs some electric tuk tuks

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 weeks ago

Good! Let me get the money to get one and I will gladly join the numbers.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Btw, how is market share of small electrics in south asian states, India? That's where it matters.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Why would it matter more there? I think it matters more for the world's biggest historical polluters, namely US and China.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

Because most of fine particles in those countries is, because everyone and their mother drives around in small mopeds with bad filters.

Car does not matter much in climate crisis, transport (mostly water and air) and cement burning play a bigger role. But they do make the air unhealthy where people live.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Sounds like bullshit. In the EU, 60% of all transport emissions are cars. https://www.europarl.europa.eu/topics/en/article/20190313STO31218/co2-emissions-from-cars-facts-and-figures-infographics

Where'd you get the idea that cars do not matter much?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Of global emissions, not only transport. And wasn't this a headline years ago, that cities like Delhi have such bad air because everyone mopeds there? Yes, car bad, but moped worse.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago

Transport, construction, and animal factory farms

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 weeks ago

An ebike is a great vehicle. $1000 is a sweet spot to get 30mph, good acceleration, build quality, and $700-$800 is the new $1000. Fat tires get more torque, even if a heavier wheel, and let you have more comfort, and trail/snow/sand crossing capability. $2000 can get 40mph, or pull a trailer, or have bigger cargo/child seat capabilities.

Electric vehicles in general benefit immensely from being light. A smaller/cheaper battery is lighter and gets more range if overall vehicle is light too. Pedaling is a much bigger boost on lighter bike. BYD's seagull ($11k) is a very small/light car that could be built in the west/sold for $15k. It's practical enough to be a great car value.

Where ebikes need improvement is for commercial and touring purposes, having public charging and for ebikes charging at 1000-1500w is a huge 100-200km range per hour. The other major improvement for both ebikes and EVs would be power assisted trailers with regen braking, and regulation that permits and standardizes them. These can be range extending if pulled empty, or power themselves to not reduce range when loaded, and provide electric power at destination. Solar on trailers also means when not in use having emergency power at parked location.

When an ebike costs less than 6 months of car insurance, or 12 months of public transit pass, easy to park/charge/store, and can get around the city as fast as a car, its simply the best vehicle option. Where EVs can shine more is when V2G offers enough profit potential to pay for the car and part of the insurance.

[–] surph_ninja 2 points 2 weeks ago

The article’s premise is not really backed up by the content. A more accurate title would be ‘Electric Bikes Gaining Popularity In China,’ which isn’t really a surprise. China’s investing heavily in renewables.

But what’s the west doing? The US is trying to ban/tariff imports of Chinese renewables tech. On top of that, our cities are intentionally planned for cars, and largely unsafe for bike riders.

Getting pretty sick of western outlets shitting on China constantly, but every time they do something great that we all benefit from, the news pretends it’s a global achievement even as western leaders do everything in their power to halt progress and appease the oil lobby.