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[–] finitebanjo 73 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

I find it strange that people were dumb enough to vote for it.

[–] SlopppyEngineer 46 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

It's a pretty classic recipe by now.

Make voters scared and angry by identifying lots of issues (cost of living, security) that are affecting their lives. Shift anger and blame to external group (China, migrants, LGBTQ+). Propose easy and quick solutions that only vaguely work on a surface level (deportation, tariffs, government efficiency) but voters are too angry to think critically by now, take it at face value and vote for false solutions.

Next step once elected is to start dismantle media scrutiny to control the narrative, capture democratic institutions so everything becomes biased against your politician opponents and start to change laws governing elections to consolidate your power.

It's happening in other places too. Countering this seems hard for other parties. So far it seems to be waiting until the mess being made with the quick and easy solution becomes too big and the other side comes in to clean it up, then getting blamed not everything is fixed and the cycle repeats.

[–] jaybone 10 points 3 weeks ago

Yeah but the price of eggs tho.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 weeks ago

That’s gonna be my copypasta response to any and all Trump related bullshit over the next four years.

“You voted for this.”

[–] [email protected] 41 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

It's not like there is a manual on slowing down bad changes or causing trouble for a government body or anything

O wait

https://www.cia.gov/static/5c875f3ec660e092cf893f60b4a288df/SimpleSabotage.pdf

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Eh, maybe reupload that somewhere else and not directly link to a government website that will certainly log all IPs accessing it.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Ain't that what VPNs are for?

[–] [email protected] 18 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

VPNs aren't completely safe. Its better than no VPN, but like... they're the CIA, dont think you can hide from them.

VPNs are just shifting trust from ISP to the VPN provider, who could be secretly working with governments. Like I'd say its okay for things like "trump is a piece of shit", but not "Hey, this is how you sabotage stuff", and definitely not "We should kill [Insert Politician Name Here]".

Even TOR isn't safe either, if you use it enough times, eventually you'll get 3 nodes owned by the government.

Don't think that The goverment can't track me, I got a VPN! then try to incite revolution. You will absolutely get tracked down.

VPN and Tor is only for making it slightly more difficult to find you so that they only use their resources on de-anonymizing higher priority targets. Do not make your self become their higher priority targets.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 weeks ago

If I was a spy agency that had basically yes money, what would I do?

Open a cheap VPN service, buy a lot of advertising for it, and say "no no, were not collecting logs or anything, no no"

[–] [email protected] 22 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

A party that runs on norms and expectations of how they and the system are supposed to work are hoping that if they do it all right the new owners will feel inspired to keep the game running too until they can get back into power.

It's not all that surprising.

[–] bitjunkie 3 points 3 weeks ago

A party of complicit fucking simpletons …

ftfy

[–] Kadaj21 19 points 3 weeks ago

TBF so far I’m reading they haven’t even begun the “peaceful transfer” due to the lack of signing paperwork.

[–] BrianTheeBiscuiteer 12 points 3 weeks ago

Well we tried our best... can we try our worst now?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

If a right wing Jan 6 didnt work.

Then a left wing Jan 6 would definitely not work.

Like, they won the popular vote, what are we supposed to do? Like if we had a fight between Harris voters and trump voters, they'd outnumber us. And they have a lot of gun nuts.

[–] Snowclone 19 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

There's legal ways to disrupt gov agencies. Lots of filings, request emails, memos with freedom of information act, distribute their plans, say ICE or other obvious weapons of oppression. Know where they're coming from and how. Put obstacles in their way, busted cars, quick cement barriers, figure out how to flood office buildings, disruption is a valid tool, and it's not always illegal, some of this would be, probably, but also revolutionary suicide, if you aren't particularly concerned with your mortal coil lone wolf actions could be effective. Of course there's also breaking people out of holding areas or concentration camps, disrupting their building process, file demands about possible archeological significance, endangered species, zoning issues start a NIMBY call to action, this can even work on a state level, NV held off yucca mountain being used as a national nuclear waste dump for decades, it can be effective. For strictly non violent resistance organized disruption could be effective anyway. Getting people fake documentation that will slow the process down, getting a bank of lawyers or paralegals calling in detention sites demanding release of specific people file paperwork to that effect, even if it's just them having to legally respond, it slows everything down. Maybe judges can't get to the office to do their job by some legal but annoying means.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 weeks ago

TL;DR version: use the right's own tactics against them.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 weeks ago

because we apparently forgot syndicalism and socialism exist.

[–] AidsKitty 6 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

More people wanted change and now they are going to receive it. Democracy worked.

[–] surewhynotlem 10 points 3 weeks ago

My only problem with FAFO is that they FA but we're all going to FO.

[–] postmateDumbass 4 points 3 weeks ago

People forgot Change is a vector quanity not a scalar.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 weeks ago

Why are leftists so toothless? I really wish leftists would take more extreme stances and push for meaningful change.

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[–] [email protected] -3 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

Lib Jan 6 would be so funny. Please do it.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Lib Jan 6 goes like this:

The center-right Joe Biden will use the national guard to put it down before y'all can even get near it, and calling them "far-left extremists" on tv, then trump will tweet: "Sleepy Joe is using ANTIFA to STEAL OUR VICTORY blah blah NEVER SURRENDER!"

Most of them are getting shot and the rest jailed, and when trump takes over, the AG will be pushing for maximum punishment.

This will be his Reichstag Fire and the Enabling Act will pass with bipartisan support.

[–] Viking_Hippie 22 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Lib Jan 6 is just what's currently happening: asking the Trump transition team politely to sign the necessary paperwork before granting access to top secret information.

That's the amount of actual resistance we can ever expect from the "institutions are sacred, people are only important if they donate at least $5000 per election season" Dem leadership.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 weeks ago

That last paragraph sent me lmao.

[–] Passerby6497 6 points 3 weeks ago

Yeah, just throw a can of gasoline in the fire, watching it explode and burn up everything sounds like a fucking good time.