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Formula 1 chooses Pirelli tires: No Bridgestone comeback (www.motorsport-magazin.com)
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Bridgestone will not be returning to Formula 1. The Japanese company received a rejection. Pirelli will supply tires for the premier class until 2027.

The Formula 1 will probably continue to run on Pirelli tires beyond the 2024 season. Pirelli tires. According to information from Motorsport-Magazin.com Bridgestone lost out in the bidding process for the sole tire supplier. the short end of the stick. Bridgestone was the only competitor to Pirelli in the race. the race. Both Pirelli and Bridgestone received the green light from the FIA. Bridgestone received the green light. The FIA reviewed the capabilities of possible suppliers for their ability to supply tires for Formula 1 from 2025 to 2027. Formula 1 from 2025 to 2027. In addition to technical criteria, the FIA the sustainability of the tires, including production and logistics. and logistics.

The final decision between Bridgestone and Pirelli ultimately rested with the by the commercial rights holder of Formula 1, Liberty Media. Although, insiders from America report that Bridgestone made the more financially more lucrative offer, Formula 1 apparently decided in favor of Pirelli, the apparently decided in favor of Pirelli, which has been the sole supplier to the top class and has been with it through thick and thin. This could have been the of the Italians.

Even in the days when Formula 1 was a sport of chronically financially strapped teams, Pirelli supplied tires.

Pirelli supplied tires.

It is not only new teams that want to benefit from the boom in the premier class, but also tire manufacturers.

With the Japanese

Japanese manufacturer Bridgestone was not an unknown quantity. After years of tire warfare against Michelin, Bridgestone was the sole supplier of tires for Formula 1 from 2007 to 2011. 2011, Bridgestone was the sole supplier of tires for Formula One. Liberty Media opted for Pirelli.

The Italians began their current Formula 1 appearance in 2011 with narrow 13-inch tires. In 2017, they switched to the wide 13-inchers, before the 18-inch tires were introduced in 2022 - and will remain in use until at least 2025. in use until at least 2025. Another disadvantage of Bridgestone: a manufacturer would have to develop tires for 2025 in the current dimensions and then and then possibly supply a completely new product for 2026. The chassis regulations for the next generation of engines have not yet been finalized. not yet in place. In that respect, Formula 1 has the safe bank with Pirelli, although the planned switch to tires without heating blankets for 2024 is hanging by a thread. hanging by a thread. On Friday, the Formula 1 commission will decide whether the whether the heated blankets will be abolished next season. will be abolished. Pirelli has an almost finished product, but the very idea has met with little the idea has met with little approval from the drivers.

Vote on electric blanket ban in Spa

Should If the vote is against the ban on electric blankets, Pirelli will be able to use the 2023 product, which has been used in a reinforced version since Silverstone. reinforced version since Silverstone. Especially for 2025, a new tire manufacturer would also have become a political issue - Bridgestone would have to start from scratch in tire development. This would require extensive test drives would be necessary. Pirelli has already planned test drives until the end of the year. planned through to the end of the year.

With 494 Grand Prix appearances to date, Goodyear is the tire the tire manufacturer with the greatest Formula 1 history. Pirelli is currently in second place with 450 Grands Prix. The Italians already drove 1950, in the first season of the world championship. From 1959 to 1980 and from 1992 to 2010, Pirelli took a break from Formula 1.

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[–] EyesEyesBaby 33 points 1 year ago (1 children)

TIL Bridgestone is Japanese. I always thought it was British.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago

Apparently the name "Bridgestone" is just the founder's surname translated in to English, although the order of the words "bridge" and "stone" were reversed because he liked the sound better

[–] GeneralEmergency 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

What if we let both Bridgestone and Pirelli makes tyres and let the teams choose?

[–] Hawke 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] GeneralEmergency 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So one race affected by tyres out of the hundreds that came before and those that came after.

A race that was a boiling point of several issues. Breakaway groups, tyre reg changes, Ferrari favouritism, fundamental suspension setups.

[–] Hawke 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

You’re not wrong, but that’s the reason for it. If one tyre manufacturer gets it wrong you have a lot of teams out of the competition, regardless of the reason.

Those fears may or may not be justified but that single race is why it would not be considered.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Wouldn't a solution be to simply not have exclusive tire deals and rather give all teams access to both tires to switch and choose. I assume most cars would still mostly choose a single manufacturer because it's easier on the car development but at the very least teams can switch whenever one manufacturer gets way better.

In an ideal scenario teams could switch tires between races depending on what works better for them on each track. Heck, best case scenario we even have some driving Hard Pirellis and Medium Bridgestone tires in the same race.

Give every team for FP1 a set of each Hard, Medium, and Soft of Pirelli and Bridgestone, after FP1 the teams locks in the remaining tire choices for the weekend. FP2 is then about maximizing setup. Saturday is then qualifying followed by a Sprint race with reverse driver standing starting grid.

I have to admit I have no idea how feasible using two different tire manufacturers with the same car actually is. But considering how different the same tires are already track to track, I don't think it's entirely implausible.

[–] GeneralEmergency -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

We didn't mandate a single engine when Cosworth came out with the DFV and every other manufacturer got it wrong.

Michelin didn't "get it wrong" either. If it wasn't for Indiana state law, the teams would have ran.

[–] Hawke 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

There’s a difference between “uncompetitive” and “dangerous to operate” though. There is no way that Michelin did not get it wrong in that instance, and dangerously so.

[–] GeneralEmergency 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They didn't get it wrong though. The tyres were built to the one stop specifications, the softer sidewall was because of that rule.

But that combined with fundamental suspension setups on the Toyotas, caused the issues we saw that day. And issue that was exacerbated by politics.

[–] Hawke 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It doesn’t matter if they built them to spec. If they failed and their competitors product didn’t, and the replacement tyres that were supposed to work also failed in the same way… they got it wrong.

[–] GeneralEmergency 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Replacement tyres they weren't allowed to use. There is no way to tell if those would have failed.

And again only the Toyotas had the issue, and without Indiana state law on criminal liability. The other Michelin teams would have ran.

We don't say Bridgestone brought the wrong tyres to the 2010 Canadian GP.

[–] Hawke 1 points 1 year ago

I have only wikipedia to refer to here but “The replacement tyres flown in, which were of the type used in the Spanish Grand Prix earlier that year, turned out to have the same problem when tested.”

So … sounds to me like they’d have failed too.

We certainly could say that Bridgestone supplied bad tyres to 2010 Canada, why not?

[–] acosmichippo 4 points 1 year ago

a tire development battle is the opposite of what F1 wants right now. they're not interested in seeing actual good tires, they're interested in artificially degrading tires so they can control pit stops.

[–] PostnataleAbtreibung 2 points 1 year ago

The wars revived, you mean? That would be an interesting thing in my opinion. But probably not feasible due to regulations.

[–] czl 2 points 1 year ago

I think the biggest reason why F1 won’t do it is because they want the battles to be closer so that viewership is higher. And one more variable that can make a team break away is not what they want (imagine RB with a tyre advantage as well…)

So between that, and not adding more confusion about the compounds of tires for casual viewers, they aren’t going back to multiple tire suppliers any time soon.

[–] goldenjoe6 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Would have been cool to see Bridgestone back. But I doubt any thing would change regardless of who is supplying tires.

[–] AshLassay 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Nothing substantial would change since the tires are build to the spec created by the FIA and F1. That’s why for a long time no other tire manufacturer put in a bid for the contract. Because they don’t want their brand be known for the fast degrading F1 tires. When every manufacturer could actually make softs that would last the entire race.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

yeah it sucks that F1 basically dictates how the tires are manufactured

my only wish is that Pirelli is somehow able to create a tire that does not require the blanket warmers

[–] SatouKazuma 1 points 1 year ago

Couldn't they just disclose that the tyres they build for F1 are engineered to degrade far faster than the road tyres ordinary consumers use?

[–] Plaid_Kaleidoscope 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Not that I really care either way, but I am glad to see that loyalty and a job well done still gets things done, sometimes. Who's to say what they had to do to keep the contract, but In my head is was as simple as "Pirelli have bent over backwards to accommodate every request and change F1 has asked for, so it's the logical reward."

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Most of the changes have been because Pirelli requested them. The change from 13" to the current 18" was because Pirelli said no one uses 13" anymore so can we move to a more common tyre size. The degrading of the tyre is FIA and FOM though.