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[–] minnow 13 points 3 days ago (3 children)

What these people refer to as "gender ideology" is actually just slightly more advanced science. Gender is a real thing that exists in the brain, multiple means by which the brain and body can develop contradictory gender/sex characteristics have been identified, and almost 150 years of scientific research support the validity of transgender people and the benefit of gender transition for people who need it.

Being anti-trans is being anti-science.

[–] _stranger_ 8 points 3 days ago

The regressive right is already explicitly anti science, so... yeah that tracks

[–] Nednarb44 2 points 3 days ago

Its similar to the "there are only two genders, that's basic science!" Yeah, you're right, in the way that in basic science there are only 3 phases of materials. Then you get to more advanced science and things change.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 days ago (2 children)

What do you mean gender exists in the brain? It's my understanding there is small but insignificant differences between cis men and cis women brains, so why would a trans person have a brain that "proves" they are more like a man or woman? What does a non-binary brain look like? A lot of early science tried to paint women as having inferior brains than men, women are more emotional while men are more rational because men have slightly bigger, heavier brains. The research is at best inconclusive.

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-019-00677-x

I can understand trans people might feel some euphoria about it but I don't buy the whole boy/girl brain thing. Trans people are valid and can benefit from transition however they choose to do so. I guess maybe I am a radical because I think gender as a social construct (like all the roles men and women have) is dumb and should be abolished.

I tried looking up more about this and this wiki mentions hormone differences, everything else looks very much debated.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neuroscience_of_sex_differences

[–] minnow 1 points 1 hour ago

The difference between make and female brains is very VERY small, but it's not immeasurable. The critical point is that the differences seem to be exclusively concerning 1) the brain's "map" of the busy, ie the brain is wired for certain hardware, and 2) reproductive instinct.

But even those areas are not 100% predictable, ie everything is a spectrum.

Here are a few studies demonstrating what I mean.

The brains of trans people more closely resemble those of their chosen gender identity than their natal sex https://www.ese-hormones.org/media/1506/transgender-brains-are-more-like-their-desired-gender-from-an-early-age.pdf

A trans person's brain more closely resembles their chosen gender as demonstrated by their brain's response to olfactory stimulation with androstadienone https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fendo.2014.00060/full

Estrogen signaling pathways identified which tell the brain to develop as one gender or the other, as well as mechanisms by which physical development can happen in one way while brain development can happen in the other https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-019-53500-y

[–] LePoisson 4 points 3 days ago (2 children)

What do you mean gender exists in the brain?

They mean that gender is a made up human construct and not something that's naturally binary. Gender is a spectrum and the idea that binary genders is the only option is limiting and just flat out wrong.

We can talk about sex vs gender and what means what but at the end of the day gender is more just how people identify themselves.

[–] minnow 1 points 1 hour ago

This is not what I meant, there are actual (but very VERY small) differences between male and female brains, and we're able to measure those differences. See my response to the other person for links to studies demonstrating this.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 days ago

In that case, yes I agree.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 days ago

But remember they ARE NOT NAZIS!

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 days ago

I vote, if the law gets passed, that every self-respecting individual calls the people who would support such a law as transgender just to piss them off.